Talk:Europe Commons Deep Dive

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herve, can you write down your proposed name? [8:28:44 PM] p2pfound1: silke says: we should invite saki bailey [8:28:51 PM] hlccaen: michel, look at the wiki, I'm currently wrinting on it [8:29:33 PM] p2pfound1: http://p2pfoundation.net/Europe_Commons_Deep_Dive [8:29:39 PM] p2pfound1: we start discussing italy [8:29:47 PM] p2pfound1: silke also proposes tomaso fattori [8:31:23 PM] Heike Loeschmann: Are u all chatting or talking? [8:33:23 PM] p2pfound1: http://p2pfoundation.net/Sharing_Economy_as_a_Way_Out_of_the_Crisis [8:33:42 PM] p2pfound1: http://p2pfoundation.net/Knowledge_Economy_Beyond_Capitalism [8:34:01 PM] p2pfound1: grazzini is a journalist but wrote a book on the commons economy [8:34:44 PM] p2pfound1: NAME 1: Saki Baley [8:35:20 PM] David Bollier: Talking.....Aren't you on the call? [8:35:37 PM] p2pfound1: NAME 2: tomasso fattori [8:35:54 PM] p2pfound1: herve proposes grazinni on 2nd list [8:37:00 PM] p2pfound1: david: who are you writing the previous remark to [8:37:09 PM] David Bollier: To Heike [8:37:15 PM] p2pfound1: k [8:38:34 PM] p2pfound1: regarding Italy, I would recommend Bertram Niessen and Zoe Romano as young digital commons production activist who are also good thinkers ; depending on gender balance requirements, I would choose one of them [8:39:05 PM] p2pfound1: I can no longer hear this conversation continuously, sorry, I hear bits and pieces [8:39:11 PM] p2pfound1: david, what did yo uagree on? [8:40:11 PM] David Bollier: Michel: we're still talking. [8:40:22 PM] p2pfound1: k,but I heard you say, "I agree" [8:40:28 PM] Frédéric Sultan: seems I not in the call [8:40:33 PM] David Bollier: Hang on if you can.... [8:40:38 PM] p2pfound1: silke stresses inviting massimo , but on next list [8:40:54 PM] p2pfound1: by the way, Heike says only HBF will b her [8:41:08 PM] David Bollier: OK [8:42:45 PM] p2pfound1: I'm supporting brigitte for her central role in commons networking [8:43:07 PM] p2pfound1: I'm looking for a link for vera [8:43:19 PM] p2pfound1: AUSTRIA NAME 1: BRIGITTE [8:43:34 PM] p2pfound1: silke says: nahrada very advanced thinker on these issues [8:45:35 PM] p2pfound1: i'm saying: not to remove people from first list because of 'too many' [8:45:45 PM] p2pfound1: but remove them afterwards [8:46:05 PM] p2pfound1: not anticipating is what I mean [8:46:40 PM] p2pfound1: NAME 2 AUSTRIA: franz nahrada [8:47:23 PM] p2pfound1: http://p2pfoundation.net/Vera_B%C3%BChlmann [8:47:54 PM] p2pfound1: NAME X: someone from IASC [8:48:33 PM] p2pfound1: DON'T KNOW belgian tom [8:49:03 PM] hlccaen: for IASC meeting next week : list of papers http://biogov.uclouvain.be/iasc/index.php?page=fullpapers [8:49:25 PM] p2pfound1: vera's book: "genius planet - from scarcity to abundance: a radical rethink for our energy future". Pages 110-136 of the manuscript are dedcated to an abundant energy future. [8:50:12 PM] hlccaen: i was disturbed, who do you want to add from belgium ? [8:50:44 PM] p2pfound1: we did not add anyone but iasc [8:50:58 PM] p2pfound1: no consensus on 2 other names on the list [8:52:02 PM] p2pfound1: very would be provocative, but interesting, she [8:52:07 PM] p2pfound1: s the anti brian davey [8:52:32 PM] p2pfound1: I had email conversations with her [8:52:43 PM] p2pfound1: she expressed herself reasonably [8:52:48 PM] p2pfound1: ok! [8:52:53 PM] p2pfound1: good idea [8:53:04 PM] p2pfound1: she may be swiss though [8:53:39 PM] p2pfound1: silke will search for vera, fo rnext list [8:53:44 PM] p2pfound1: we go to eastern europe [8:54:15 PM] p2pfound1: silke very impressed about croation activist group 22 [8:54:31 PM] p2pfound1: their names are on the list, their collective proposal is daniela [8:54:52 PM] p2pfound1: Danijela Dolenec, Croatia, political scientist. moving fast to the commons [8:54:57 PM] p2pfound1: well connected as well [8:55:11 PM] p2pfound1: = an investment in the future [8:55:17 PM] p2pfound1: david confirms: good rationale [8:56:22 PM] p2pfound1: i agree on daniele first list [8:57:29 PM] p2pfound1: NAME 1 CROATIA, only one: Daniela [8:57:40 PM] p2pfound1: andrew's wife is russian, he's connected with russian and baltic groups [8:57:56 PM] p2pfound1: NAME 1 FINLAND: Andrew Paterson [8:58:50 PM] p2pfound1: she is involved in local currencies [8:59:02 PM] p2pfound1: she wrote a chapter in andrew's book on that [8:59:28 PM] p2pfound1: we go to france [8:59:59 PM] p2pfound1: herve stresses Geneviève Azam, Attac ;e veryone concurs, so [9:00:09 PM] p2pfound1: NAME 1 FRANCE, GENEVIEVE AZAM [9:01:12 PM] p2pfound1: Philippe Aigrain, Sopinspace, he should be absoltuely there [9:01:21 PM] p2pfound1: NAME 2 FRANCE, philippe aigrain [9:01:59 PM] p2pfound1: couldn't here name [9:02:07 PM] p2pfound1: ah wojtek [9:02:17 PM] p2pfound1: working on new economy [9:02:21 PM] Frédéric Sultan: ... back [9:02:26 PM] p2pfound1: was in berlin [9:02:49 PM] p2pfound1: good ally of nicolas in fph foundation [9:03:18 PM] p2pfound1: seems like all-round candidate [9:03:22 PM] p2pfound1: everyone ok? [9:03:31 PM] p2pfound1: NAME 3: wojtek [9:04:24 PM] p2pfound1: orlean's book economy of value, seems important contributoin to our topic [9:04:36 PM] p2pfound1: silke supports candidacy [9:04:43 PM] p2pfound1: herve doesn't hear silke [9:05:00 PM] p2pfound1: silke also likes benjamin [9:05:22 PM] p2pfound1: silke stresses affinity [9:05:49 PM] p2pfound1: I SUPPORT ORLEAN FOR FIRST LIST [9:06:17 PM] p2pfound1: orlean on list 1 or 2 [9:06:35 PM] p2pfound1: NAME X: ORLEAN ON FIRST LIST [9:06:53 PM] p2pfound1: SILKE: what about benjamin coriat [9:07:08 PM] p2pfound1: frederic, asks about order [9:08:03 PM] p2pfound1: Benjamin Coriat on next list, proposes herve [9:08:10 PM] p2pfound1: silke agrees [9:08:22 PM] p2pfound1: all agree [9:08:26 PM] p2pfound1: now on to germany [9:09:32 PM] p2pfound1: silke proposes Veronika-Bennholdt Thomsen, [9:09:40 PM] p2pfound1: I'm out of the conversation altogether [9:12:01 PM] p2pfound1: no longer in call, sorry, can no longer transcribe , good luck! [9:12:17 PM] p2pfound1: I suggest copying previous text to the discussion page of the wiki [9:12:28 PM] David Bollier: Michel--I can't get you back online [9:12:42 PM] p2pfound1: modem/router problems, says my colleagues, overheadted [9:13:00 PM] Heike Loeschmann: Good idea. Thx. Michel so far [9:13:08 PM] p2pfound1: mssed 7 minutes [9:13:29 PM] p2pfound1: herve, perhaps you should copy/paste your notes here [9:13:29 PM] Krausz Nicolas: Michael Narberhaus [9:13:45 PM] p2pfound1: nicolas, has that name been 'approved'? [9:14:03 PM] p2pfound1: so i'm missing german names [9:14:08 PM] p2pfound1: going to UK [9:14:15 PM] hlccaen: michel, my notes are on the wiki. I save now [9:14:22 PM] David Bollier: Meretz, Veronika Bennholt-Thomsen [9:14:28 PM] p2pfound1: OK, THANKS [9:14:50 PM] p2pfound1: silke supports finance expert Larry Lohmann [9:15:07 PM] p2pfound1: david asks if tim jackson is tourist? [9:15:21 PM] Heike Loeschmann: Lol [9:15:26 PM] p2pfound1: silke supports tom jackson [9:16:07 PM] p2pfound1: NAME 1 UK: TIM JACKSON [9:16:13 PM] p2pfound1: NAME 2: Larry Lohmann [9:16:31 PM] Krausz Nicolas: Uygar Ozesmi from Turkey, Greenpeace (uygar@change.org) [9:16:48 PM] p2pfound1: HERVE supports SoC because of their action [9:17:00 PM] p2pfound1: I agree david that their analysis is not especially sophisticated [9:17:07 PM] p2pfound1: I suport Brian Davey [9:17:49 PM] p2pfound1: perhaps they can play a role as educators [9:17:57 PM] p2pfound1: i.e. refracting our work to UK audiences [9:18:02 PM] Heike Loeschmann: Me too.;) [9:18:10 PM] p2pfound1: I think we should have one person from them as well [9:18:42 PM] p2pfound1: frederic says balance with SoC in catalonia [9:18:57 PM] p2pfound1: perhaps a younger person like mark jagdev [9:20:18 PM] p2pfound1: brian davey -vera buhlam would provide interesting dynamic regarding technological future in age of resource scarcity [9:21:16 PM] p2pfound1: I don't agree with Brian, but he is really typical of particular anti-tech position that is important in the movements [9:21:37 PM] p2pfound1: frederic just came out of the sghower [9:22:17 PM] p2pfound1: NAME X: Brian Davey [9:22:22 PM] p2pfound1: next list: SoC UK [9:22:42 PM] p2pfound1: FRED insists SoCs hould be there, but either spain or uk [9:22:58 PM] p2pfound1: ok, now both are on 1st list says herve [9:23:41 PM] p2pfound1: George Papanikolau, active around open science and genetic commons, but also one of the clearest political/commons thinkers I have met, lives in Athens and I rate him very highly; also writes on info/energy commons issues*** [9:23:49 PM] p2pfound1: I'm a very big fan of George P. [9:25:52 PM] p2pfound1: OK! [9:26:15 PM] p2pfound1: NAME 1 GREECE: George P. [9:28:12 PM] p2pfound1: CAN'T HEAR RIGHT NOW [9:28:21 PM] p2pfound1: yes, she is very smart [9:28:37 PM] Silke Helfrich: For Heike: NAME 2 GREECE; Irene [9:28:54 PM] p2pfound1: NAME 1 LATVIA  : Rasa Smite [9:30:07 PM] p2pfound1: rasa will be put on 2nd list [9:31:01 PM] p2pfound1: lost connection again [9:33:16 PM] p2pfound1: karthik iyer is more interested in p2p than commons per se [9:33:42 PM] p2pfound1: we move to spain [9:35:33 PM] p2pfound1: mb proposes enrico first choice, oliver 2nd [9:36:44 PM] p2pfound1: NAME X: enrico from goteo, if not olivier schulbaum [9:37:05 PM] p2pfound1: marco berlinguer is moving to italy to launch a newspaper, I think [9:37:18 PM] p2pfound1: joan subirats writes for newspapers like publico [9:38:32 PM] p2pfound1: very important and strongly recommened belgian/german economist: Christian Arnsperger [9:38:56 PM] p2pfound1: http://p2pfoundation.net/Christian_Arnsperger [9:39:13 PM] p2pfound1: http://p2pfoundation.net/Six_Framework_Conditions_for_Global_Systemic_Change [9:39:35 PM] p2pfound1: david says nicola should be only 2nd round [9:39:44 PM] p2pfound1: we're in miscellaneous [9:41:10 PM] p2pfound1: david says add him to first list [9:41:24 PM] p2pfound1: NAME X FOR BELGIUM : CHRISTIAN ARNSPERGER [9:42:25 PM] p2pfound1: WHO from switzerland? [9:43:11 PM] p2pfound1: herve says, nobody from africa [9:44:22 PM] p2pfound1: I would be interested adding one person from urban commons background, I suggested stefano serafini, but other person would be good [9:44:45 PM] hlccaen: is he from switzerland ? [9:44:53 PM] p2pfound1: no, italy [9:45:11 PM] p2pfound1: but I could ask the commons/p2p urbanism group for suggestions from another country [9:45:18 PM] hlccaen: i add him on the next ist [9:45:21 PM] p2pfound1: k