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Google Group started by [[Nathan Wilson Cravens]]: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing
Google Group started by [[Nathan Wilson Cravens]]: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing
==Paul Fernhout on "Six Areas"==
http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/msg/b9d6f3b894f18535
"""
Anyway, I feel Bryan is right in wanting to separate out some issues. Here
are six broad areas of exploration I see right now that have been discussed
on this list:
* The world how it was historically (like what has been tried and thought
about, all the "-ologies" and "-isms", and also how they would relate to
open manufacturing and related ideals, as in, how does open manufacturing
affirm or invalidate the principles of, say, "the iron law of wages" or
"hunter/gatherer ideals" or the almost half-century old "Triple Revolution"
document.)
* The world as it is right now, and how it might be patched up (with open
manufacturing or the open enterprise or other alternatives like a new
currency to redirect the flow of manufacturing, for example, can Iceland be
saved with open manufacturing under the current dominant economic system? Or
could an Icelandic electric-Krona help it right now?)
* The world in transition to a post-scarcity future (and how open
manufacturing relates to that, as well as other proposals like, how can a
slowly expanding open source movement bring abundance to more and more
people? Or, can a different sort of currency bring about a better future
with manufacturing happening in a more open and sustainable way, like an
electric-based dollar, or a basic income guarantee, and so on). There is
some overlap here with the previous topic of patching up the world -- I'm
not combining them though because there may be people who do believe in open
manufacturing but don't believe in the possibility or desirability of a
post-scarcity future moving beyond conventional economics.
* The world as a fully post-scarcity society in the future and how it would
work (once we got there, like, how what are the implications of every home
having a 3D printer or similar system at the neighborhood level, such as
what it means to be able to print toys, or print agricultural robots to grow
our food, or print solar panels to collect power, or print diamandoid
materials to build our spacecraft, or print machines to make more 3D printer
toner from air, water, rock, and print shredders that can recycle no longer
needed printed objects back into 3D printer toner). A lot of this entails
speculation, and relates to a lot of sci-fi, from authors like Vinge, Banks,
Hogan, Brain, and so on.
* The world approaching "The Singularity" or a series of singularity-like
transitions, and a how open manufacturing values and approaches may interact
with a singularity. Again, there is overlap here with the post-scarcity
world idea, but there are people who may believe in one but not the other,
and some who believe in both, and some who believe in neither.
* Interwoven with all those societal discussions are the specific technical
artifacts we might be talking about and the process of actually designing
them in detail. But this interconnection would be more obvious if we had
some critical mass of manufacturing designs and metadata encoded in common
open formats and usable for analysis and simulation to explore all these
areas (historic, current, transitional, post-scarcity, singularity).
If there is an argument for a "openmanufacturing-dev" list like Bryan made,
that might be a clearer boundary -- the focus on making such a system (or
systems, SKDB, OSCOMAK, fenn's Gingery-related work, open biotech, and so
on, maybe in partnership with others, or using existing platforms and
standards) so it may be used to inform general discussion here, like support
detailed simulations of alternative economics and sustainability. Though
even then, should discussions of simulations be on which list? Or building
simulations is discussed on that one, and running simulations is discussed
on this one? But one could possibly work that out down the road.
All of these are overlapping, yet distinct, areas of discussion. But
discussions can quickly go from one area to another. So, amplifying on
Bryan's theme, we can wonder how open manufacturing relates to each of these
areas, and also ask how this list itself or "open manufacturing" is
presented to the public in this context. Are we emphasizing one of these six
areas? Or all? I feel all six areas have been fair game, and that's why I
feel Bryan is right to focus on the more general statement for the list;
also, it is not clear what solutions will emerge from discussions, so I feel
it is premature for the group as a whole to endorse one approach (beyond the
virtue of open manufacturing using open source methods, which ties all these
things together).
""""





Revision as of 00:43, 6 January 2009

We discuss practical manufacturing of physical items primarily outside proprietary agency.

http://openmanufacturing.net/

Google Group started by Nathan Wilson Cravens: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing

Paul Fernhout on "Six Areas"

http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/msg/b9d6f3b894f18535

""" Anyway, I feel Bryan is right in wanting to separate out some issues. Here are six broad areas of exploration I see right now that have been discussed on this list:

  • The world how it was historically (like what has been tried and thought

about, all the "-ologies" and "-isms", and also how they would relate to open manufacturing and related ideals, as in, how does open manufacturing affirm or invalidate the principles of, say, "the iron law of wages" or "hunter/gatherer ideals" or the almost half-century old "Triple Revolution" document.)

  • The world as it is right now, and how it might be patched up (with open

manufacturing or the open enterprise or other alternatives like a new currency to redirect the flow of manufacturing, for example, can Iceland be saved with open manufacturing under the current dominant economic system? Or could an Icelandic electric-Krona help it right now?)

  • The world in transition to a post-scarcity future (and how open

manufacturing relates to that, as well as other proposals like, how can a slowly expanding open source movement bring abundance to more and more people? Or, can a different sort of currency bring about a better future with manufacturing happening in a more open and sustainable way, like an electric-based dollar, or a basic income guarantee, and so on). There is some overlap here with the previous topic of patching up the world -- I'm not combining them though because there may be people who do believe in open manufacturing but don't believe in the possibility or desirability of a post-scarcity future moving beyond conventional economics.

  • The world as a fully post-scarcity society in the future and how it would

work (once we got there, like, how what are the implications of every home having a 3D printer or similar system at the neighborhood level, such as what it means to be able to print toys, or print agricultural robots to grow our food, or print solar panels to collect power, or print diamandoid materials to build our spacecraft, or print machines to make more 3D printer toner from air, water, rock, and print shredders that can recycle no longer needed printed objects back into 3D printer toner). A lot of this entails speculation, and relates to a lot of sci-fi, from authors like Vinge, Banks, Hogan, Brain, and so on.

  • The world approaching "The Singularity" or a series of singularity-like

transitions, and a how open manufacturing values and approaches may interact with a singularity. Again, there is overlap here with the post-scarcity world idea, but there are people who may believe in one but not the other, and some who believe in both, and some who believe in neither.

  • Interwoven with all those societal discussions are the specific technical

artifacts we might be talking about and the process of actually designing them in detail. But this interconnection would be more obvious if we had some critical mass of manufacturing designs and metadata encoded in common open formats and usable for analysis and simulation to explore all these areas (historic, current, transitional, post-scarcity, singularity). If there is an argument for a "openmanufacturing-dev" list like Bryan made, that might be a clearer boundary -- the focus on making such a system (or systems, SKDB, OSCOMAK, fenn's Gingery-related work, open biotech, and so on, maybe in partnership with others, or using existing platforms and standards) so it may be used to inform general discussion here, like support detailed simulations of alternative economics and sustainability. Though even then, should discussions of simulations be on which list? Or building simulations is discussed on that one, and running simulations is discussed on this one? But one could possibly work that out down the road.

All of these are overlapping, yet distinct, areas of discussion. But discussions can quickly go from one area to another. So, amplifying on Bryan's theme, we can wonder how open manufacturing relates to each of these areas, and also ask how this list itself or "open manufacturing" is presented to the public in this context. Are we emphasizing one of these six areas? Or all? I feel all six areas have been fair game, and that's why I feel Bryan is right to focus on the more general statement for the list; also, it is not clear what solutions will emerge from discussions, so I feel it is premature for the group as a whole to endorse one approach (beyond the virtue of open manufacturing using open source methods, which ties all these things together). """"


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