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"The mythic mode not only tolerates, but actively enjoys, contradiction as well as ambiguity. You can’t pick up a spaceship; you are picking one up, and it’s also a fork, and this isn’t a problem." | |||
- David Chapman [https://meaningness.substack.com/p/seeing-and-doing-mythically] | |||
=Description= | |||
David Chapman: | |||
"This is the mode not just of myths—but of dreams, visions, storytelling, and make-believe play. | |||
It is the mode of strange recurring fantasies, of compelling mental images, and of sudden recognitions of intense but inexplicable meaningfulness in the actual world. | |||
It is the mode of ecstatic ritual, of encounters with gods and demons, and of falling in love with someone you barely know. | |||
The mythic mode is foundational for the others. They build on it, and they don’t work well without its inspiration. | |||
The mythic mode supplies purpose, a critical ingredient, for all the other modes. Reasonableness can see only mundane, conventional purposes, which are ultimately unsatisfying. Rationality only works by excluding consideration of purposes. They have to be supplied externally, and as sterile abstract formalisms. Meta-rationality reflects on purposes, but relies on the mythic mode for their inspiration. | |||
The mythic is also the easiest mode from which to access the complete stance. That is the accurate and enjoyable way of engaging with meaning and meaninglessness. The mythic mode, like the complete stance, plays with pattern and nebulosity, boundaries and connections. | |||
... | |||
The mythic mode is usually described in terms of thinking and feeling: mental stuff. Depth psychology, particularly the work of Carl Jung, dominates popular conceptual understanding of the mode. Although that’s valuable, it’s also distorting. Thinking and feeling are aspects of all the modes, but so are perception and action—and they are at least as important. The mythic mode is just as concerned with seeing and doing as is the reasonable one. That goes triple for the rational mode, in which perception and action are mere theoretical afterthoughts! | |||
The mythic mode develops in middle childhood, preceding the others. Children relate to the world “mythically” before they can be consistently reasonable—let alone rational. We all continue to employ the mythic mode throughout life" | |||
(https://meaningness.substack.com/p/seeing-and-doing-mythically) | |||
=Characteristics= | |||
==The Dual Vision requirement== | |||
David Chapman: | |||
"Fundamentally, the mythic mode involves seeing and acting in a situation in two ways simultaneously. One way is relatively mundane and literal; the other less so. We coordinate their seemingly discordant meanings so that each enhances the other. Through experience, we gain skill in relating them, so that acting on mythic meanings creates good mundane outcomes; and better understanding of the mundane deepens the experience of the mythic. | |||
The mythic mode requires dual vision, somewhat metaphorically speaking. Ambiguous images are analogous. We can see the picture either as an ugly dude, or as a plate of fruit. As a duck, or as a rabbit.1 Once we’ve seen it both ways, we’re aware that both are interpretations of meaning. They are both valid, although radically different." | |||
(https://meaningness.substack.com/p/seeing-and-doing-mythically) | |||
==Mythic Language== | |||
David Chapman: | |||
"Metaphor is the verbal equivalent of dual vision. “Bond market watchers are nervously eyeing the oncoming hailstorm of sovereign defaults.” Entirely unremarkable, likely passed over without notice—until you see this financial newspaper cliche as mythic vision. If you reread it and allow the mental image it evokes to gather vividness and detail, it becomes increasingly bizarre, uncanny and humorous. | |||
Metaphorically speaking, mythic language paints pictures in our heads. Stories evoke more complex, moving images than individual metaphors. | |||
From stories, we learn patterns of interpersonal interaction. The bond market may be distant from anything you care about. The story of how Aphrodite and Persephone both fell in lust with Adonis, and fought over him, but settled by splitting his year evenly between the two of them, is an archetypical human drama everyone can feel the force of, and reflect on. | |||
From stories, we learn how the rhythms of rising and falling emotions go. “We dream in narrative, daydream in narrative, remember, anticipate, hope, despair, believe, doubt, plan, revise, criticize, construct, gossip, learn, hate and live by narrative.”2 Actions and events are meaningful mainly only for their place in a narrative. | |||
Mythic language also often relies on literal rhythm and rhyme. Mythic insight can often only be expressed in poetry. It’s still better to sing them. In every culture, before written language, bards sang myths, dreams, visions, and epic tales into being. Poetry is also the language of ritual, and rituals are often stories enacted. We structure rituals, extended in time, with their own rhythms of repetition, with internal variations analogous to rhyme." | |||
(https://meaningness.substack.com/p/seeing-and-doing-mythically) | |||
==The 'As If' World== | |||
David Chapman: | |||
"Mythic seeing and doing behave somewhat as if we are entering another world. A world of as-if has its own rules, and we act according to them.4 It has its own logic for what may happen when we do, and of what entities we will find, and how they will act in response. | |||
A world of as-if has a membrane, a boundary, that separates it from the mundane. But, almost always, we retain awareness that we have created that membrane ourselves. That is often through a declaration, a magic spell: “Let’s play ‘princesses in the castle’!” Or: “The magic circle is cast; the ritual begins!” | |||
An as-if world is always temporary; we “return” to the actual world when the game, daydream, or ritual is over. And if, in an as-if world, it is all you see, then you are in the domain of hallucination or madness, not the mythic mode.5 | |||
A mythic domain is our creation. Entering and acting in the as-if depends on skills, just as acting in the actual world does. Children’s play is childish: minimally skillful. Sophisticated spiritual practice, or effective religious ritual, may demand years of full-time training.6 | |||
Because we retain dual vision, we can and do negotiate and play with what counts as inside and outside. Which elements of actuality do we choose not to see during the ritual? After it is over, which aspects of the “other world” follow us into everyday life? | |||
We have some choice here; but the as-if has its own power, players, and logic, who also get a say. This is not supernatural magic; it’s true for all human creativity. Novelists complain that their characters do what they want, taking the story in quite different directions than the writer intended. Painters find unexpected people, objects, or acts appearing on the canvas, disturbing or delightful, demanding inclusion." | |||
(https://meaningness.substack.com/p/seeing-and-doing-mythically) | |||
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(https://www.academia.edu/197841/The_Evolution_of_Consciousness_as_a_Planetary_Imperative_An_Integration_of_Integral_Views) | (https://www.academia.edu/197841/The_Evolution_of_Consciousness_as_a_Planetary_Imperative_An_Integration_of_Integral_Views) | ||
==Using the Mythic Mode from the point of view of Reasonabless, Rationality, and Meta-Rationality== | |||
David Chapman: | |||
* Reclaiming the unreasonable mythic mode | |||
'We can’t unlearn the later modes, nor should we want to. What we can do is recognize the ways later modes include the mythic. Then we can allow it to shine forth, in situations where it functions well. | |||
This is a function of many religions and spiritual paths. For many adults, that’s where the mythic is most easily accessed. The sacred and the mythic are close relatives, and sacredness is the subject matter of religion. Or a subject matter… | |||
In practice, most religions have many other functions as well. And, most religions, as they work in practice, are mainly reasonable. I’m using “reasonable” here in the sense of “justifiable according to general social expectations.” | |||
The reasonableness and mundane social functions of religions may obscure their mythic aspects. The mythic mode is frequently unreasonable, in its spontaneous creativity and its love of the outlandish. Mainstream Christians and Sutric Buddhists may frown at that, though some Christian Charismatics and Tantric Buddhists may grin. | |||
There are non-religious ways of reclaiming the mythic mode, too. | |||
... | |||
Now, how does this re-integration of the mythical mode apply for people who have reached meta-rationality (stage 5 in Kegan) ? | |||
'''* Entering the mythic mode in stage 5 is not a regression.''' | |||
David Chapman: | |||
"Meta-rationality (stage 5) uniquely respects all previous modes as valid—for some purposes, in some situations. It recognizes its own dependence on other modes, and inclusion of them. Consequently, the mythic mode and the complete stance are more available from meta-rationality than from reasonableness or rationality. | |||
People acting in a stage 5 way are often described as “child-like,” in a positive sense. That is: they are manifesting textures of interaction that are most often found in children. | |||
Entering the mythic mode in stage 5 is not a regression. It is a skillful deployment of one of your acquired capacities in an appropriate situation. Although it is the same mode, it is also not the same mode, because while you see and do things in the mythic, as-if world, you retain your meta-rational understanding—and your awareness of potential reasonable and rational considerations. Those don’t diminish the experience, but complicate and deepen it. | |||
Meta-rationality can relate meanings discovered in the as-if to the actual world effectively. Children in stage 2 mostly can’t, because they have insufficient understanding of actuality. Reasonableness and rationality aren’t good at this either, because their understandings of meaningness are distorted by confused stances. They have nothing good to say about your interactions with a bear-goddess. (Unless you personally come from a culture in which there are conventional, “reasonable” norms for that, which seems unlikely.) | |||
For stage 5, mythic activity provides powerful sources of insight. It can also be powerfully misleading. Interpreting mythic experiences and applying their lessons in actuality requires skill in meta-rational judgement. | |||
... | |||
'''* On the "loss of purpose that comes with denying the mythic".''' | |||
"In an upcoming post, I’ll explain how reasonableness, rationality, and meta-rationality all rely on the mythic mode to supply our most important purposes. And: the consequences of loss of purpose that comes with denying the mythic." | |||
(https://meaningness.substack.com/p/the-mythic-mode-from-childhood-throughout-life) | |||
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* [[Transition from Mythical to Mental Consciousness]] | * [[Transition from Mythical to Mental Consciousness]] | ||
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[[Category: | ==Bibliography== | ||
Recommendations by David Chapman: | |||
(links at the bottom of [https://meaningness.substack.com/p/the-mythic-mode-from-childhood-throughout-life]) | |||
* "Kieran Egan’s chapter titled “Mythic Understanding” in The Educated Mind: How Cognitive Tools Shape Our Understanding. | |||
* Robert Kegan’s discussion of developmental stage 2 in The Evolving Self: Problem and Process in Human Development, particularly in the chapter “The Growth and Loss of the Imperial Self.” | |||
* Seligman et al., Ritual and Its Consequences: An Essay on the Limits of Sincerity. | |||
* for a classic overview of literal myths and their functions, from multiple perspectives and with an emphasis on Ancient Greece, you might try: G. S. Kirk, Myth: Its Meaning and Functions in Ancient and Other Cultures. | |||
* Stephen Asma's synthesis: “Adaptive Imagination: Toward a Mythopoetic Cognitive Science,” Evolutionary Studies in Imaginative Culture, Volume 5, Issue 2, 2022. | |||
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Contextual Quote
"The mythic mode not only tolerates, but actively enjoys, contradiction as well as ambiguity. You can’t pick up a spaceship; you are picking one up, and it’s also a fork, and this isn’t a problem."
- David Chapman [1]
Description
David Chapman:
"This is the mode not just of myths—but of dreams, visions, storytelling, and make-believe play.
It is the mode of strange recurring fantasies, of compelling mental images, and of sudden recognitions of intense but inexplicable meaningfulness in the actual world.
It is the mode of ecstatic ritual, of encounters with gods and demons, and of falling in love with someone you barely know.
The mythic mode is foundational for the others. They build on it, and they don’t work well without its inspiration.
The mythic mode supplies purpose, a critical ingredient, for all the other modes. Reasonableness can see only mundane, conventional purposes, which are ultimately unsatisfying. Rationality only works by excluding consideration of purposes. They have to be supplied externally, and as sterile abstract formalisms. Meta-rationality reflects on purposes, but relies on the mythic mode for their inspiration.
The mythic is also the easiest mode from which to access the complete stance. That is the accurate and enjoyable way of engaging with meaning and meaninglessness. The mythic mode, like the complete stance, plays with pattern and nebulosity, boundaries and connections.
...
The mythic mode is usually described in terms of thinking and feeling: mental stuff. Depth psychology, particularly the work of Carl Jung, dominates popular conceptual understanding of the mode. Although that’s valuable, it’s also distorting. Thinking and feeling are aspects of all the modes, but so are perception and action—and they are at least as important. The mythic mode is just as concerned with seeing and doing as is the reasonable one. That goes triple for the rational mode, in which perception and action are mere theoretical afterthoughts!
The mythic mode develops in middle childhood, preceding the others. Children relate to the world “mythically” before they can be consistently reasonable—let alone rational. We all continue to employ the mythic mode throughout life"
(https://meaningness.substack.com/p/seeing-and-doing-mythically)
Characteristics
The Dual Vision requirement
David Chapman:
"Fundamentally, the mythic mode involves seeing and acting in a situation in two ways simultaneously. One way is relatively mundane and literal; the other less so. We coordinate their seemingly discordant meanings so that each enhances the other. Through experience, we gain skill in relating them, so that acting on mythic meanings creates good mundane outcomes; and better understanding of the mundane deepens the experience of the mythic.
The mythic mode requires dual vision, somewhat metaphorically speaking. Ambiguous images are analogous. We can see the picture either as an ugly dude, or as a plate of fruit. As a duck, or as a rabbit.1 Once we’ve seen it both ways, we’re aware that both are interpretations of meaning. They are both valid, although radically different."
(https://meaningness.substack.com/p/seeing-and-doing-mythically)
Mythic Language
David Chapman:
"Metaphor is the verbal equivalent of dual vision. “Bond market watchers are nervously eyeing the oncoming hailstorm of sovereign defaults.” Entirely unremarkable, likely passed over without notice—until you see this financial newspaper cliche as mythic vision. If you reread it and allow the mental image it evokes to gather vividness and detail, it becomes increasingly bizarre, uncanny and humorous.
Metaphorically speaking, mythic language paints pictures in our heads. Stories evoke more complex, moving images than individual metaphors.
From stories, we learn patterns of interpersonal interaction. The bond market may be distant from anything you care about. The story of how Aphrodite and Persephone both fell in lust with Adonis, and fought over him, but settled by splitting his year evenly between the two of them, is an archetypical human drama everyone can feel the force of, and reflect on.
From stories, we learn how the rhythms of rising and falling emotions go. “We dream in narrative, daydream in narrative, remember, anticipate, hope, despair, believe, doubt, plan, revise, criticize, construct, gossip, learn, hate and live by narrative.”2 Actions and events are meaningful mainly only for their place in a narrative.
Mythic language also often relies on literal rhythm and rhyme. Mythic insight can often only be expressed in poetry. It’s still better to sing them. In every culture, before written language, bards sang myths, dreams, visions, and epic tales into being. Poetry is also the language of ritual, and rituals are often stories enacted. We structure rituals, extended in time, with their own rhythms of repetition, with internal variations analogous to rhyme."
(https://meaningness.substack.com/p/seeing-and-doing-mythically)
The 'As If' World
David Chapman:
"Mythic seeing and doing behave somewhat as if we are entering another world. A world of as-if has its own rules, and we act according to them.4 It has its own logic for what may happen when we do, and of what entities we will find, and how they will act in response.
A world of as-if has a membrane, a boundary, that separates it from the mundane. But, almost always, we retain awareness that we have created that membrane ourselves. That is often through a declaration, a magic spell: “Let’s play ‘princesses in the castle’!” Or: “The magic circle is cast; the ritual begins!”
An as-if world is always temporary; we “return” to the actual world when the game, daydream, or ritual is over. And if, in an as-if world, it is all you see, then you are in the domain of hallucination or madness, not the mythic mode.5
A mythic domain is our creation. Entering and acting in the as-if depends on skills, just as acting in the actual world does. Children’s play is childish: minimally skillful. Sophisticated spiritual practice, or effective religious ritual, may demand years of full-time training.6
Because we retain dual vision, we can and do negotiate and play with what counts as inside and outside. Which elements of actuality do we choose not to see during the ritual? After it is over, which aspects of the “other world” follow us into everyday life?
We have some choice here; but the as-if has its own power, players, and logic, who also get a say. This is not supernatural magic; it’s true for all human creativity. Novelists complain that their characters do what they want, taking the story in quite different directions than the writer intended. Painters find unexpected people, objects, or acts appearing on the canvas, disturbing or delightful, demanding inclusion."
(https://meaningness.substack.com/p/seeing-and-doing-mythically)
Discussion
Jennifer Gidley:
"Gebser has foregrounded the term mythical to denote this structure of consciousness, while Wilber has foregrounded the term membership and added myth to it to honor Gebser’s terminology. In Wilber’s myth-membership stage—that he often calls simply membership — he focuses quite strongly on sociological and psychoanalytic features. Gebser’s focus is more phenomenological, based on extensive research of artistic and literary artifacts. Steiner referred to the period in which the mythic picture consciousness developed as the Egypto-Chaldean period, in reference to the significant developments in culture and consciousness that occurred in those regions. A major divergence occurs regarding the different usages of the term “soul,” as discussed below.
Key Features of Mythic Consciousness
Most of these key features are identified in all three narratives.
• The emergent awareness of the inward-turned world of the soul;
• The development of complex mythology, requiring imagination and a new degree ofcognitive coherence;
• The development of astronomy, calendars and other complex mathematical systems;
• A new relationship to death and burial;
• The development of language systems including the first pictographic and logographicwriting systems (See Appendix C for more details);
• The strengthening of a sense of cyclical temporality (See Appendix A);
• Membership of large organized social groupings, resembling cities.
• Temple structures, especially pyramids. Although Egypt is most renowned for pyramids, this was also the primary form of temple architecture of Meso-American and South American Inkan civilization;
• The culmination of primarily matriarchal societies prior to the beginnings of patriarchy with the Greco-Roman civilization (Eisler, 2001).
I will now focus in a little more depth on the first four of the above features. The fifth and sixth are discussed in appendices and the remaining features must remain unexamined until subsequent research can be undertaken.
The Inward-Turned World of Soul
Both Gebser and Steiner connected the emergence of mythical consciousness with the first awakening of the individual human soul from its magical enmeshment with nature and cosmos. Gebser—who pays particular attention to artistic detail—notices the gradual extrication of the human form from its natural surroundings. In an exemplary painting of a human figure in nature from Knossos (Crete) dating from the second millennium BCE, Gebser (1949/1985) notes the “placing [of] the upper torso against the “sky” [and that] the sky is simultaneous with the soul”(pp. 61-62). He supports this with Plato’s statement “the soul . . . [came into being] simultaneously with the sky” (p. 45). Steiner’s conception of soul is based on a Platonic tripartite understanding of the human as having body, soul and spirit—the soul as mediator between body and spirit . He also regarded the period from 3,000 BCE as being significant for the development of the earliest emergence of the human soul—that he called the sentient or feeling soul . By contrast, Wilber’s notion of soul is somewhat differently placed. He does not use the term soul until after all the structures of consciousness up to ego-mental are established, regarding soul and spirit as part of what he calls the “superconsciousness” in Up from Eden (Wilber,1996c, p. 11). This conception also appears in his later works, where he does not use the term soul until the post-rational stages beyond vision-logic (Wilber, 2000b, p. 258, n. 22). However, Wilber’s use of the term mind , when he is referring to body, life, mind, soul, and spirit would appear to be similar to Steiner’s and Gebser’s use of soul in the present context. Gebser’s(1949/1985) position is that mythic consciousness paradoxically involves both an “inward-directed contemplation,” involving a new awareness of one’s own soul; and an outward-directed verbalization, through creating a myth about what has been inwardly visualized. This describes a circular motion of the “internal world of the soul; its symbol is the circle, the age-old symbol of the soul.” (p. 66) This internalization of soul enables an “internalization of memory,” as recollection, “in parallel with an externalization of utterance,” particularly through poetry as inspired by the Muses (p. 192). Perhaps the composite term mind-soul could be an appropriate improvement in the taxonomy.
The World of Myth Through Imagination
For Gebser the movement from magic to mythical consciousness involves a shift from a more vital centre to a soul centre that bears the stamp of the imagination. This aligns with Steiner’s position on the major developmental shift from the vital and emotional bodily systems being developed during the first and second cultural periods, and the third cultural period where the inner life of what he called the sentient soul was arising. He associated the latter with a sense-oriented, participatory, pictorial type of thinking that developed during the two thousand years prior to the emergence of abstract intellectual thought. Wilber (1996c) is somewhat more pragmatic about these developments. In this period he refers to the significance of language, through which “the verbal mind could differentiate itself out of the previous body-self” (p. 99).He also pointed to the role of symbolic thinking in myth-making “through a network of intersubjective membership and communication” (p. 101).While, from Gebser’s (1949/1985) perspective, the magic mode is dominated by impulse, instinct and affective reactions such as sympathy and antipathy, the mythical structure has amore mental orientation. Latent predisposition to perspectivity, has an imaginatory consciousness, related in the imagistic nature of myth and responsive to the soul and sky of the ancient cosmos. . . . The great cosmogonical images in the early myths are the soul’s recollection of the world’s origination. (p. 67) In a similar vein, Steiner (1986a) noted the link between the awakening human soul and the world soul—or anima mundi —through the imagination, whereby the cosmos is still experienced as being ensouled. The ancient Chaldean priests . . . were the custodians of profound wisdom, but for them these laws of nature were not merely abstract, nor were the stars merely physical globes. They looked on each planet as ensouled by a Being . . . a divine Being who gave it life. Thus the Egyptians and Chaldeans discerned that they were spirits living among spirits in a world of spirits. (p.101)It is interesting that there is a renewed interest today in notions of anima mundi —or ensouled cosmos—among transpersonal psychologists and integral philosophers (Sardello, 1995; Tarnas,2006). Perhaps it is an indicator of a shift beyond the marginalizing of the inner life that has occurred through the scientific privileging of the measurable world of externalities."
The Development of Astronomy and Calendars
Jennifer Gidley:
"The ancient Sumerians were renowned for their mathematics and early calendars. Steiner suggested that the Sumerians and Babylonians had deep mathematical insights into the relationships between human and cosmic proportions (Steiner, 1982c, p. 73). Gebser and Steiner both noted the awareness of the soul’s polarity in the earlier Persian/Sumerian cultures and its parallel—the awareness of the sky, as a counterpole to the earth. Gebser also noted the centrality of polarity in the Chinese T’ai-Ki symbol—generally known as the Yin/Yang symbol (Gebser,1949/1985, p. 220). Steiner (1986a) indicated that the Persians’ awareness of the earth/sky polarity laid the ground for the deeper understanding of the Egyptians and Chaldeans who began to uncover the laws that were operating between the earth and sky.[Humans] looked up to the stars and observed their movements and their influence on human life, and accordingly worked out a science which enabled them to understand these movements and influences. They brought the Heavens into connection with the Earth. (pp.100-101)
It has been claimed that the Egyptian sciences were based on the legendary wisdom teachings of Hermes Trismegistus who is reputed to have written The Emerald Tablet , a document on which the Hermetic sciences were based for thousands of years. Sir Isaac Newton has actually translated, with commentary, The Emerald Tablet—often encapsulated in the phrase— as above, so below."
A New Relationship to Death and Burial
One of the intriguing aspects of the Egyptian civilization was its relationship to death. Recent research in Sudan suggests that elaborate burial rituals were already operating in the earlier Nubian kingdom from at least 3,800 BCE (Gatto, 2004). However, the Egyptians certainly took these customs to new heights. Wilber, drawing on Joseph Campbell’s research, refers to these customs—the mortuary cults, the mummies, the golden death masks — as being “heightened searches for symbolic or token or pretend immortalities” in response to the new “death-fear,” arising from their gradually dawning sense of individuality (Wilber, 1996c, p. 121). Steiner, on the other hand, makes quite a different interpretation for the death interest of the Egyptians. Referring to the Osiris-Isis myth, Steiner claimed: The Egyptians desired in this way to turn their gaze to that element in the human soul which lives not only between birth and death . . . in their preservation of mummies, in their peculiar death-ceremonies—[they] turned the eye of the soul to that . . . eternal imperishable element . . . united in the Egyptian consciousness with the name of Osiris. (Steiner, 1971a, pp. 2-3) Gebser (1949/1985) took this point further referring to the life and death poles of the soul. He observed that “the great Egyptian literature on death is an endeavor to master the death region of the soul” (p. 223). The increased focus on death and burial rituals and symbols has been much studied by cultural anthropologists (Barnard & Spencer, 1998). Although the elaborate Egyptian tombs are of great contemporary interest, it is worth noting that one of the most significant of the Egyptian myths—the Osiris myth—is not just about death, but also about resurrection(Campbell, 1993; Neumann, 1954/1995; Steiner, 1971b).
Deficient Manifestations of Mythic Consciousness
As mentioned earlier, Wilber (1996c) has a keen interest in debunking the romantic myths about the glories of the past. He reminds us that all was not romance and glory in this early period of civilization building. He describes some of the horrendous rituals that were part of the mythic cultures, including human sacrifice (p. 125). He also pointed to the darker side of the politics of “divine kingship” during the myth-membership period, during which new horrors arose, such as “slavery . . . exploitation . . . elitist class distinctions . . . And massive oppression of the many by the few (p. 178).Gebser refers to the efficient form of the mythic consciousness when it was at its peak of development and full creative force was engaged to envision a primal image. He notes that as this primordial myth gets passed on it begins to lose its power and to fragment into a multitude of spoken myths. These myths — which passed on over time—are mere echoes of the original primordial visions. He sees this as the deficient phase of mythic consciousness. This seems analogous to what often happens between the original inspiration of a new philosophy, great leader or spiritual teacher and what becomes of the later product of his or her inspiration. Invariably the original message—whether it is Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, Steiner education, or integral theory—has the purity and power of an inspired vision or mission. Overtime, the students or practitioners reduce the original message and develop a mythic version of it. This then becomes ossified into a new dogma as deficient mythic consciousness tightens its stranglehold.
Summary and Relevance for Today
The power of myths is well known to the creators of mass media, and corporate marketing and advertising (Jenson, 1996; Klein, 2000). The suppression of healthy imagination that has come in the wake of centuries of dominance by increasingly narrow forms of rationality has created an imbalance—particularly observable in the images of the future of young people(Eckersley, 2002; Gidley, 1998c, 2002a; Giroux, 2003; Hicks, 2002; Hutchinson, 2002;Inayatullah, 2002; Novaky, 2000). Young people also feel that there is a spiritual vacuum in our society (Gidley, 2005a; Tacey, 2003) which many critical educational theorists and educational futurists argue is too often filled by negative and exploitative media images (Clouder, Jenkinson,& Large, 2000; Gidley, 2001d; Giroux, 2003; Healy, 1998; Hutchinson, 1994; Livingstone,1998; Milojevic, 2005b; Pearce, 1992; Steinberg & Kincheloe, 2004). When imaginative mythic consciousness is not given scope for healthy expression, it is likely to break through in unhealthy ways, as Gebser has demonstrated. Whenever we encounter an immoderate emphasis on the imagistic, the ambivalent, the psychic—an unbridled phantasy, imagination or power of fancy—we may conclude the presence of a deficient mythical attitude that threatens the whole or integrality. (Gebser,1949/1985, p. 154)This is exemplified in our mass media today, where extreme levels of violent imagery exemplify deficient mythic consciousness, representing an extremely troublesome form of enculturation of our youth worldwide (Gidley, 2004c; Grossman, 2000; Grossman, Degaetano, &Grossman, 1999; Healy, 1998). Another predatory phenomenon relevant to the enculturation of youth via the appeal of the mythic imagination is cults. By contrast the power of the imagination can be used to enact positive enculturation, if the creative imagination is harnessed to the virtues of the Good, the Beautiful and the True. Educators, futurists, integral theorists, and some philosophers have begun to highlight the importance of rescuing healthy, positive, grounded imaginative-thinking from the limitations of a rationality too narrowly-defined, as will be discussed in the next section. The significant role of the healthy development of the imagination in educating for postformal, integral consciousness has been discussed elsewhere (Gidley,2007a)."
Using the Mythic Mode from the point of view of Reasonabless, Rationality, and Meta-Rationality
David Chapman:
- Reclaiming the unreasonable mythic mode
'We can’t unlearn the later modes, nor should we want to. What we can do is recognize the ways later modes include the mythic. Then we can allow it to shine forth, in situations where it functions well.
This is a function of many religions and spiritual paths. For many adults, that’s where the mythic is most easily accessed. The sacred and the mythic are close relatives, and sacredness is the subject matter of religion. Or a subject matter…
In practice, most religions have many other functions as well. And, most religions, as they work in practice, are mainly reasonable. I’m using “reasonable” here in the sense of “justifiable according to general social expectations.”
The reasonableness and mundane social functions of religions may obscure their mythic aspects. The mythic mode is frequently unreasonable, in its spontaneous creativity and its love of the outlandish. Mainstream Christians and Sutric Buddhists may frown at that, though some Christian Charismatics and Tantric Buddhists may grin.
There are non-religious ways of reclaiming the mythic mode, too.
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Now, how does this re-integration of the mythical mode apply for people who have reached meta-rationality (stage 5 in Kegan) ?
* Entering the mythic mode in stage 5 is not a regression.
David Chapman:
"Meta-rationality (stage 5) uniquely respects all previous modes as valid—for some purposes, in some situations. It recognizes its own dependence on other modes, and inclusion of them. Consequently, the mythic mode and the complete stance are more available from meta-rationality than from reasonableness or rationality.
People acting in a stage 5 way are often described as “child-like,” in a positive sense. That is: they are manifesting textures of interaction that are most often found in children.
Entering the mythic mode in stage 5 is not a regression. It is a skillful deployment of one of your acquired capacities in an appropriate situation. Although it is the same mode, it is also not the same mode, because while you see and do things in the mythic, as-if world, you retain your meta-rational understanding—and your awareness of potential reasonable and rational considerations. Those don’t diminish the experience, but complicate and deepen it.
Meta-rationality can relate meanings discovered in the as-if to the actual world effectively. Children in stage 2 mostly can’t, because they have insufficient understanding of actuality. Reasonableness and rationality aren’t good at this either, because their understandings of meaningness are distorted by confused stances. They have nothing good to say about your interactions with a bear-goddess. (Unless you personally come from a culture in which there are conventional, “reasonable” norms for that, which seems unlikely.)
For stage 5, mythic activity provides powerful sources of insight. It can also be powerfully misleading. Interpreting mythic experiences and applying their lessons in actuality requires skill in meta-rational judgement.
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* On the "loss of purpose that comes with denying the mythic".
"In an upcoming post, I’ll explain how reasonableness, rationality, and meta-rationality all rely on the mythic mode to supply our most important purposes. And: the consequences of loss of purpose that comes with denying the mythic."
(https://meaningness.substack.com/p/the-mythic-mode-from-childhood-throughout-life)
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Bibliography
Recommendations by David Chapman:
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- "Kieran Egan’s chapter titled “Mythic Understanding” in The Educated Mind: How Cognitive Tools Shape Our Understanding.
- Robert Kegan’s discussion of developmental stage 2 in The Evolving Self: Problem and Process in Human Development, particularly in the chapter “The Growth and Loss of the Imperial Self.”
- Seligman et al., Ritual and Its Consequences: An Essay on the Limits of Sincerity.
- for a classic overview of literal myths and their functions, from multiple perspectives and with an emphasis on Ancient Greece, you might try: G. S. Kirk, Myth: Its Meaning and Functions in Ancient and Other Cultures.
- Stephen Asma's synthesis: “Adaptive Imagination: Toward a Mythopoetic Cognitive Science,” Evolutionary Studies in Imaginative Culture, Volume 5, Issue 2, 2022.