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== Tenative Qualifiers ==
'''The article has become quite a mess to read.  Any suggestions on how to make it better?'''


Please suggest better names or more orthogonal concepts
*  How about: When a cell contains too much text, fill that cell with a '''link''' to a page that contains the full explaination?  For instance, the link [[Barriers To Entry - Property Left]] would be placed in that cell, and that new page would then contain the text currently overpopulating that cell...


* Barriers to Entry
* Maybe just take this all out of a table and make it a list of lists?
* Control of [[Physical Sources]]
* Control of [[Virtual Sources]]
* Cost Recovery for [[Wage]]s
* Cost Recovery for permanent use of [[Object]]
* Cost Recovery for temporary use of [[Object]]
* Cost Recovery for Exclusive use of Land
* Distribution of Land [[Tax]] funds
* Cost Recovery: [[Virtual Sources]]
* [[Profit]], 'surplus', or "Price above cost"
* Who owns the product?


: ''I second the "list of lists" option.'' --[[User:ChristianS|ChristianS]] 08:34, 16 March 2008 (PDT)
:: Christian, I started trying to make the list and didn't like the row titles.  See [[Talk:Mode_Of_Production_Shootout]] for the current list and please suggest better titles.  In other words, what 'qualifiers' should each Mode of Production be interrogated?
:: For now I also made the list of lists, but can change them quickly (using Emacs) if we decided on better titles. -- [[User:Ownut|Ownut]] 11:29, 16 March 2008 (PDT)


== [[Mode Of Production]] Shootout ==
::: Qualifies look ok to me—I now replaced the table by your list of lists from the discussion page. --[[User:ChristianS|ChristianS]] 02:32, 22 March 2008 (PDT)


=== [[Capitalist]] ===
* Patrick: this page would need an introductory phrase for beginners, about what this page and the project is about.--[[User:Mbauwens|Mbauwens]] 08:42, 22 March 2008 (PDT)
* Barriers to Entry
** An entreprenuer must begin a whole new business to compete
* Control of [[Physical Sources]]
** Split among Owners of [[Physical Sources]] weighted by ownership %
* Control of [[Virtual Sources]]
** Copyright and Patent holders
* Cost Recovery for [[Wage]]s
** Workers reverse-bid to Owners
* Cost Recovery for permanent use of [[Object]]
** User pays what market will bear, User becomes private Owner
* Cost Recovery for temporary use of [[Object]]
** User pays [[Rent]] at what market will bear
* Cost Recovery for Exclusive use of Land
** User pays city and county 'officials' weighted against improvement (regular property tax)
* Distribution of Land [[Tax]] funds
City and County 'officials' spend on projects as they see fit.
* Cost Recovery [[Virtual Sources]]
** Tribute to Copyright or Patent holders
* [[Profit]], 'surplus', or "Price above cost"
** Split among Owners of [[Physical Sources]] weighted by ownership %
* Who owns the product?
** Split among Owners of [[Physical Sources]] weighted by ownership %


=== [[Copyfarleft]] ===
***
* Barriers to Entry
* Control of [[Physical Sources]]
All assets shared equally among all Owners?
* Control of [[Virtual Sources]]
** Same as Capitalist?
* Cost Recovery for [[Wage]]s
* Cost Recovery for permanent use of [[Object]]
* Cost Recovery for temporary use of [[Object]]
* Cost Recovery for Exclusive use of Land
* Distribution of Land [[Tax]] funds
* Cost Recovery: [[Virtual Sources]]
** Same as Capitalist?
* [[Profit]], 'surplus', or "Price above cost"
**  Split equally among all workers?
* Who owns the product?


=== [[Neocommercialization]] ===
I'm puzzled as to the choice of comparing an existing mode, capitalism, with proposed but non-existing modes, while the other already existing mode, peer production, is absent?--[[User:Mbauwens|Mbauwens]] 06:52, 16 July 2008 (PDT)
* Barriers to Entry
* Control of [[Physical Sources]]
All assets shared equally among all Owners?
* Control of [[Virtual Sources]]
** Free?
* Cost Recovery for [[Wage]]s
* Cost Recovery for permanent use of [[Object]]
* Cost Recovery for temporary use of [[Object]]
* Cost Recovery for Exclusive use of Land
* Distribution of Land [[Tax]] funds
* Cost Recovery: [[Virtual Sources]]
** Free?
* [[Profit]], 'surplus', or "Price above cost"
** Split equally among all workers?
* Who owns the product?


=== [[Peerconomy]] ===
* That's only an unfortunate oversight; like 'tenative' instead of 'tentative'.
* Barriers to Entry
* I've added it to the list, but someone else will need to fill in the answers. -- [[User:Ownut|Ownut]] 19:40, 17 July 2008 (PDT)
** If you pick up tasks which a project needs to have handled, you become a member of the project. If you want to start a new project, you have to find sufficient other people willing to produce what you want to produce.
* Control of [[Physical Sources]]
** Controlled by those who use them. Resources are available for usage for those who want them—for free, if there is enough of a resource for all who want it, otherwise those who are ready to contribute most effort will get them.
* Control of [[Virtual Sources]]
** Free
* Cost Recovery for [[Wage]]s
** There are no wages, but the ''effort'' to get what you want is ''shared''** if you spend effort for others, others will spend effort for you.
* Cost Recovery for permanent use of [[Object]]
** The amount of effort required to produce an object is contributed by those want to use it. If there are more demands for some object than can be satisfied, those ready to spend most effort will get it—the additionally spent effort will be distributed among all produced objects (making them all slightly cheaper).
* Cost Recovery for temporary use of [[Object]]
** Same as above, but effort to contribute can be shared by those who use an object over time.
* Cost Recovery for Exclusive use of Land
** Land and all other resources are available for usage for those who want them—for free, if there is enough of a resource for all who want it, otherwise those who are ready to contribute most effort will get them. The contributed effort will be distributed among all produced objects (making them all slightly cheaper).
* Distribution of Land [[Tax]] funds
** There are no taxes.
* Cost Recovery: [[Virtual Sources]]
** Produced information goods are free. The effort required to produce them can be shared among those who like to have them just like any other effort.
* [[Profit]], 'surplus', or "Price above cost"
** There is no profit. "Price above cost" (effort required for getting a good surmounting the effort required for producing it) is distributed among all produced objects (making them all slightly cheaper).
* Who owns the product?
** There is no ownership, only usage (possession).
 
=== [[Utilicontributism]] ===
* Barriers to Entry
* Control of [[Physical Sources]]
** [[Property Commons]]**Entitlement shared, Ownership is "Guardianship," and subject to Use "rent"
* Control of [[Virtual Sources]]
** A [[Vested Commons]]
* Cost Recovery for [[Wage]]s
* Cost Recovery for permanent use of [[Object]]
* Cost Recovery for temporary use of [[Object]]
* Cost Recovery for Exclusive use of Land
** User pays global officials weighted against current holdings?
* Distribution of Land [[Tax]] funds
** Distributed to all humans on the planet weighted by % each use is not currently using?
* Cost Recovery: [[Virtual Sources]]
** Free?
* [[Profit]], 'surplus', or "Price above cost"
** To service-provider(s) / worker(s) of service
* Who owns the product?
 
=== [[Property Left]] ===
* Barriers to Entry
** Each [[Object]] Consumer gains controlling ownership in collectively owned Physical Sources whenever they pay [[Price Above Cost]] (the current owners will grow the business by buying new Physical Sources needed for that type of Object, and those investments will 'vest' to the paying consumer at some later date.)  
* Control of [[Physical Sources]]
** Same as Capitalist
* Control of [[Virtual Sources]]
** Free
* Cost Recovery for [[Wage]]s
** Same as Capitalist
* Cost Recovery for permanent use of [[Object]]
** Same as Capitalist
* Cost Recovery for temporary use of [[Object]]
** Same as Capitalist
* Cost Recovery for Exclusive use of Land
* Distribution of Land [[Tax]] funds
* Cost Recovery: [[Virtual Sources]]
** Free
* [[Profit]], 'surplus', or "Price above cost"
** Investment in more [[Physical Sources]] to eventually vest to user who paid it.
* Who owns the product?
** Same as Capitalist.
 
=== [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_democracy Economic Democracy]] ===
* Barriers to Entry
* Control of [[Physical Sources]]
* Control of [[Virtual Sources]]
* Cost Recovery for [[Wage]]s
* Cost Recovery for permanent use of [[Object]]
* Cost Recovery for temporary use of [[Object]]
* Cost Recovery for Exclusive use of Land
* Distribution of Land [[Tax]] funds
* Cost Recovery: [[Virtual Sources]]
* [[Profit]], 'surplus', or "Price above cost"
* Who owns the product?
 
=== [[United Diversity]] ===
* Barriers to Entry
* Control of [[Physical Sources]]
* Control of [[Virtual Sources]]
* Cost Recovery for [[Wage]]s
* Cost Recovery for permanent use of [[Object]]
* Cost Recovery for temporary use of [[Object]]
* Cost Recovery for Exclusive use of Land
* Distribution of Land [[Tax]] funds
** 50% into pot for re-investment, 50% split among owners weighted by % past contributions?
* Cost Recovery: [[Virtual Sources]]
* [[Profit]], 'surplus', or "Price above cost"
* Who owns the product?

Latest revision as of 02:40, 18 July 2008

The article has become quite a mess to read. Any suggestions on how to make it better?

  • How about: When a cell contains too much text, fill that cell with a link to a page that contains the full explaination? For instance, the link Barriers To Entry - Property Left would be placed in that cell, and that new page would then contain the text currently overpopulating that cell...
  • Maybe just take this all out of a table and make it a list of lists?
I second the "list of lists" option. --ChristianS 08:34, 16 March 2008 (PDT)
Christian, I started trying to make the list and didn't like the row titles. See Talk:Mode_Of_Production_Shootout for the current list and please suggest better titles. In other words, what 'qualifiers' should each Mode of Production be interrogated?
For now I also made the list of lists, but can change them quickly (using Emacs) if we decided on better titles. -- Ownut 11:29, 16 March 2008 (PDT)
Qualifies look ok to me—I now replaced the table by your list of lists from the discussion page. --ChristianS 02:32, 22 March 2008 (PDT)
  • Patrick: this page would need an introductory phrase for beginners, about what this page and the project is about.--Mbauwens 08:42, 22 March 2008 (PDT)

I'm puzzled as to the choice of comparing an existing mode, capitalism, with proposed but non-existing modes, while the other already existing mode, peer production, is absent?--Mbauwens 06:52, 16 July 2008 (PDT)

  • That's only an unfortunate oversight; like 'tenative' instead of 'tentative'.
  • I've added it to the list, but someone else will need to fill in the answers. -- Ownut 19:40, 17 July 2008 (PDT)