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Jennifer Gidley:
Jennifer Gidley:


"As discussed earlier there is a divergence between Steiner’s, Gebser’s and Wilber’s overallnotions of deficiency or pathology in relation to movements of consciousness, which particularly plays out in respect to the current emergence. Both Gebser and Steiner referred to the gradualemergence of a new consciousness over the last five hundred years but with increasing intensityin the 20th century. They both also spoke of the growing problems of over-abstraction, egotism,fragmentation and disconnection from Spirit, relating these phenomena to an overextension ofintellectual-mental-rational consciousness. Their characterizations of the new consciousness donot tend to point to deficiencies at this stage—the major concern being that the grossness of thedominant mode will override and mask the subtle appearance of the new transparency. HoweverGebser (1949/1985) did note in one of his charts that integral consciousness, still in its earlystages, may manifest in a deficient form as “void (atomizing dissolution)” (p. 142). Theassociated explanation appears to connect this with the overextension and exhaustion of themental structure rather than with the integral structure itself. He gave the following example:“‘artists’ . . . who are merely atomizers, surrender themselves by distorting and disjointing form,instead of rendering into form what has been placed as a task into their care” (p. 506, note 19).Gebser (1949/1985) also discussed the difficulties in attempting to present information about theintegral consciousness—in the sense that it allows the originary presence to become transparent.Increasingly deficient attitudes seek refuge in syncretisms . . . or encyclopedic compendia .. . Presentiate wisdom becomes accumulated knowledge; when summarized and compiled,it yields a new sum, but no new wisdom. Wisdom is reduced from a quality of being to aquantity of possession (p. 44).Wilber’s approach is less consistent as he has moved beyond his earlier position where his
"As discussed earlier there is a divergence between Steiner’s, Gebser’s and Wilber’s overall notions of deficiency or pathology in relation to movements of consciousness, which particularly plays out in respect to the current emergence. Both Gebser and Steiner referred to the gradual emergence of a new consciousness over the last five hundred years but with increasing intensity in the 20th century. They both also spoke of the growing problems of over-abstraction, egotism, fragmentation and disconnection from Spirit, relating these phenomena to an overextension of intellectual-mental-rational consciousness.
vision-logic paralleled Gebser’s integral-aperspectival  and thus Steiner’s consciousness soul . Inthe last five to six years he has come up with a proliferation of structure-stages beyond mental-rational (in the phylogenetic, cultural evolution stream) and its parallel, formal operations (in theontogenetic, psychological development stream). In his latest publication (Wilber, 2006) helocates, between
 
rational and integral, a new stage—  pluralistic —that he incorrectly identifiesas one of Gebser’s worldviews (glossy insert between pages 68-69). Based on thismisappropriation of Gebser’s model he further develops his conception of this pluralistic stage,which he associates with postmodernism, as a somewhat deficient, in-between stage, on the way to integral. Wilber conflates his new integral  with Gebser’s integral  without any reference to thefact that Gebser does not include a pluralistic structure before integral and with very littleevidential justification for his pluralistic stage, particularly from the cultural phylogeny perspective (Hampson, 2007). The problem here is that Wilber appears to be conflating
Their characterizations of the new consciousness do not tend to point to deficiencies at this stage—the major concern being that the grossness of the dominant mode will override and mask the subtle appearance of the new transparency. However Gebser (1949/1985) did note in one of his charts that integral consciousness, still in its early stages, may manifest in a deficient form as “void (atomizing dissolution)” (p. 142). The associated explanation appears to connect this with the overextension and exhaustion of the mental structure rather than with the integral structure itself. He gave the following example: “‘artists’ . . . who are merely atomizers, surrender themselves by distorting and disjointing form, instead of rendering into form what has been placed as a task into their care” (p. 506, note 19).Gebser (1949/1985) also discussed the difficulties in attempting to present information about the integral consciousness—in the sense that it allows the originary presence to become transparent. Increasingly deficient attitudes seek refuge in syncretisms . . . or encyclopedic compendia .. . Presentiate wisdom becomes accumulated knowledge; when summarized and compiled, it yields a new sum, but no new wisdom. Wisdom is reduced from a quality of being to a quantity of possession (p. 44).Wilber’s approach is less consistent as he has moved beyond his earlier position where his
individual psychological developmental stages (ontogeny) with Gebser’s structures ofconsciousness—which are actually more in line with the current literature on cultural evolution(phylogeny). Given that Wilber is aware of this distinction and clearly quite familiar with thecurrent evidence from adult developmental psychology on the existence of at least four psychological stages beyond formal operations (Commons & Richards, 2002; Commons,Trudeau, Stein, Richards, & Krause, 1998; Cook-Greuter, 2000, Torbert, 2004), it would beconceptually more coherent for him to confine himself to this research to establish his pluralisticstage, rather than attribute a stage to Gebser that the latter did not actually identify."
vision-logic paralleled Gebser’s integral-aperspectival  and thus Steiner’s consciousness soul . In the last five to six years he has come up with a proliferation of structure-stages beyond mental-rational (in the phylogenetic, cultural evolution stream) and its parallel, formal operations (in the ontogenetic, psychological development stream). In his latest publication (Wilber, 2006) he locates, between rational and integral, a new stage—  pluralistic —that he incorrectly identifies as one of Gebser’s worldviews (glossy insert between pages 68-69). Based on this misappropriation of Gebser’s model he further develops his conception of this pluralistic stage, which he associates with postmodernism, as a somewhat deficient, in-between stage, on the way to integral. Wilber conflates his new integral  with Gebser’s integral  without any reference to the fact that Gebser does not include a pluralistic structure before integral and with very little evidential justification for his pluralistic stage, particularly from the cultural phylogeny perspective (Hampson, 2007). The problem here is that Wilber appears to be conflating individual psychological developmental stages (ontogeny) with Gebser’s structures of consciousness—which are actually more in line with the current literature on cultural evolution(phylogeny). Given that Wilber is aware of this distinction and clearly quite familiar with the current evidence from adult developmental psychology on the existence of at least four psychological stages beyond formal operations (Commons & Richards, 2002; Commons, Trudeau, Stein, Richards, & Krause, 1998; Cook-Greuter, 2000, Torbert, 2004), it would be conceptually more coherent for him to confine himself to this research to establish his pluralistic stage, rather than attribute a stage to Gebser that the latter did not actually identify."


(https://www.academia.edu/197841/The_Evolution_of_Consciousness_as_a_Planetary_Imperative_An_Integration_of_Integral_Views)
(https://www.academia.edu/197841/The_Evolution_of_Consciousness_as_a_Planetary_Imperative_An_Integration_of_Integral_Views)

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Discussion

Jennifer Gidley:

"As discussed earlier there is a divergence between Steiner’s, Gebser’s and Wilber’s overall notions of deficiency or pathology in relation to movements of consciousness, which particularly plays out in respect to the current emergence. Both Gebser and Steiner referred to the gradual emergence of a new consciousness over the last five hundred years but with increasing intensity in the 20th century. They both also spoke of the growing problems of over-abstraction, egotism, fragmentation and disconnection from Spirit, relating these phenomena to an overextension of intellectual-mental-rational consciousness.

Their characterizations of the new consciousness do not tend to point to deficiencies at this stage—the major concern being that the grossness of the dominant mode will override and mask the subtle appearance of the new transparency. However Gebser (1949/1985) did note in one of his charts that integral consciousness, still in its early stages, may manifest in a deficient form as “void (atomizing dissolution)” (p. 142). The associated explanation appears to connect this with the overextension and exhaustion of the mental structure rather than with the integral structure itself. He gave the following example: “‘artists’ . . . who are merely atomizers, surrender themselves by distorting and disjointing form, instead of rendering into form what has been placed as a task into their care” (p. 506, note 19).Gebser (1949/1985) also discussed the difficulties in attempting to present information about the integral consciousness—in the sense that it allows the originary presence to become transparent. Increasingly deficient attitudes seek refuge in syncretisms . . . or encyclopedic compendia .. . Presentiate wisdom becomes accumulated knowledge; when summarized and compiled, it yields a new sum, but no new wisdom. Wisdom is reduced from a quality of being to a quantity of possession (p. 44).Wilber’s approach is less consistent as he has moved beyond his earlier position where his vision-logic paralleled Gebser’s integral-aperspectival and thus Steiner’s consciousness soul . In the last five to six years he has come up with a proliferation of structure-stages beyond mental-rational (in the phylogenetic, cultural evolution stream) and its parallel, formal operations (in the ontogenetic, psychological development stream). In his latest publication (Wilber, 2006) he locates, between rational and integral, a new stage— pluralistic —that he incorrectly identifies as one of Gebser’s worldviews (glossy insert between pages 68-69). Based on this misappropriation of Gebser’s model he further develops his conception of this pluralistic stage, which he associates with postmodernism, as a somewhat deficient, in-between stage, on the way to integral. Wilber conflates his new integral with Gebser’s integral without any reference to the fact that Gebser does not include a pluralistic structure before integral and with very little evidential justification for his pluralistic stage, particularly from the cultural phylogeny perspective (Hampson, 2007). The problem here is that Wilber appears to be conflating individual psychological developmental stages (ontogeny) with Gebser’s structures of consciousness—which are actually more in line with the current literature on cultural evolution(phylogeny). Given that Wilber is aware of this distinction and clearly quite familiar with the current evidence from adult developmental psychology on the existence of at least four psychological stages beyond formal operations (Commons & Richards, 2002; Commons, Trudeau, Stein, Richards, & Krause, 1998; Cook-Greuter, 2000, Torbert, 2004), it would be conceptually more coherent for him to confine himself to this research to establish his pluralistic stage, rather than attribute a stage to Gebser that the latter did not actually identify."

(https://www.academia.edu/197841/The_Evolution_of_Consciousness_as_a_Planetary_Imperative_An_Integration_of_Integral_Views)