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*Concrete suggestions by Dr Sitharam: | *Concrete suggestions by Dr Sitharam: | ||
**1. I would suggest to everyone to approach the whole thing as a thought | **1. I would suggest to everyone to approach the whole thing as a thought | ||
experiment: "suppose a few of us decided to build a community that we | experiment: "suppose a few of us decided to build a community that we | ||
would like, | would like, | ||
(a) what should the community achieve | ***(a) what should the community achieve | ||
(b) what features should the community have | ***(b) what features should the community have | ||
(c) how would such a community operate and sustain itself, once it has | ***(c) how would such a community operate and sustain itself, once it has | ||
constructed itself (add on hypothetical technologies that this community | constructed itself (add on hypothetical technologies that this community | ||
would possess, but only if such technologies become necessary) | would possess, but only if such technologies become necessary) | ||
(d) how to go about constructing it | ***(d) how to go about constructing it | ||
***(a), (b), (c), (d) are intertwined views, but different people might | |||
(a), (b), (c), (d) are intertwined views, but different people might | |||
prefer different views. | prefer different views. | ||
***"Few" above is sufficiently many -- start with a community that is perhaps | |||
"Few" above is sufficiently many -- start with a community that is perhaps | |||
a network of cooperatives, each with a few hundred members. Each | a network of cooperatives, each with a few hundred members. Each | ||
cooperative caters to one aspect/commodity in a member's life. This | cooperative caters to one aspect/commodity in a member's life. This | ||
network of coops is supplemented by another HUGE cooperative,i.e, today's | network of coops is supplemented by another HUGE cooperative,i.e, today's | ||
traditional society/economy. | traditional society/economy. We are allowed to keep increasing the size of the community (each | ||
We are allowed to keep increasing the size of the community (each | |||
cooperative, or number of cooperatives), as it becomes necessary. | cooperative, or number of cooperatives), as it becomes necessary. | ||
**2. Keeping a running transcript of the discussion and split off threads | **2. Keeping a running transcript of the discussion and split off threads | ||
corresponding to key questions that arise several times. | corresponding to key questions that arise several times. | ||
**3. Some people prefer audio/video. I prefer just chat. If you can have many | **3. Some people prefer audio/video. I prefer just chat. If you can have many | ||
threads in the chat, then people can move around to the different threads. | threads in the chat, then people can move around to the different threads. | ||
**4. Then after a few discussions, you can zero in on those questions that | **4. Then after a few discussions, you can zero in on those questions that | ||
arise most often. | arise most often. | ||
*Concrete suggestions by Mr Fernhout: | *Concrete suggestions by Mr Fernhout: | ||
**From co-Laboratories of Democracy: "We have all experienced the benefits of dialogue when we openly and thoughtfully confront issues. We have also experienced the frustration of interminable discussion that does not lead to progress. Co-Laboratories of Democracy enable large, diverse groups to dialogue and generate positive results. Many group processes engender enthusiasm and good feeling as people share their concerns and hopes with each other. Co-Laboratories go beyond this initial euphoria to: | |||
*** Discover root causes; | |||
*** Adopt consensual action plans; | |||
*** Develop teams dedicated to implementing those plans; and | |||
*** Generate lasting bonds of respect, trust, and cooperation. | |||
*** Co-Laboratories achieve these results by respecting the autonomy of all participants, and utilizing an array of consensus tools including discipline, technology and graphics that allow the stakeholders to control the discussion." | |||
Links (thanks Paul for providing a lot of them) | |||
* [http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/miller20110808 Land-value tax] | * [http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/miller20110808 Land-value tax] | ||
Revision as of 17:11, 8 August 2011
Introduction
This is a series of webconference sessions on the future of our economy. In this conference, we will be discussing key ideas on how to transform our economic infrastructure for the sustainable future. Due to the strong coupling between a proper treatment of this topic with necessary insight into current and future technological trends, this area has been poorly explored by mainstream economists, and will blossom with interdisciplinary perspectives.
Location and Time
It is organized as a series of sessions during August (night or morning to accommodate timezones in Thailand, East Coast USA, Korea, West Coast USA - ordered from least to most flexible according to count). Location is Google+ hangout. We may also use Skype (please have it ready if possible). There are many interested people suggesting to keep the discussion going on a continuing basis, in the format of a 2 hour weekly session - we can announce that after the first 4 sessions are successful.
People
(we’ve hit the limit on the number of people in G+ hangout - multiple sessions required if we want to accommodate more people who've expressed interest):
- Mr Michel Bauwens, Founder of the P2P Foundation
- Dr Marvin T. Brown, Professor, author of "Civilizing the Economy"
- Dr Adam Arvidsson, Professor, author of "Ethical Economy"
- Dr Christian Arnsperger, Professor, author of "Full-Spectrum Economics", creator of the "Eco-transitions" blog [1].
- Dr James Hughes, Executive Director for Institute of Ethics and Emerging Technologies
- Dr Mark D. Whitaker, Professor, environmental sociologist; author, Toward a Bioregional State (2005), and Ecological Revolution (2009); (creator of biostate [2] commodityecology [3] blogs).
- Mr Paul Fernhout, Post-scarcity intellectual.
- Dr Meera Sitharam, Professor, Complexity expert
- Dr Amit Dhurandhar, Machine Learning researcher at IBM
- Mohamad Tarifi, PhD candidate in Computer Science
Topics Outline
Please feel free to add new sessions, topics, modify existing ones, or otherwise change anything you want. I will act as moderator, but I think it’s better if you lead specific topics. Please write your name next to the topic(s) you wish to lead:
- Session 1: Technology and the Economics of abundance and scarcity.
- Overview of the conference (Lead by: Mohamad Tarifi)
- Automation and work (Lead by: Mohamad Tarifi)
- Stability vs Efficiency and Environmental impact (contributed to by Mark Whitaker)
- Session 2: The relationship between the Individual and the Society
- What do we mean by Economy? (Lead by: Marvin Brown)
- Top-down, Bottom-up, P2P organization
- Philosophical, Environmental, Ethical considerations (contributed to by Mark Whitaker)
- Session 3: Currency exchange systems
- Scarcity based systems: traditional, bitcoin, the terra
- Abundance based systems: ripplepay, community hours
- Public commons (contributed to by Mark Whitaker)
- Session 4: Transition challenges ahead
- Political, Social and Economic barriers (contributed to by Mark Whitaker)
- From possible to probable and preferable solutions (contributed to by Mark Whitaker)
- Special Announcement! (by Mohamad Tarifi)
- Session 5: Open discussion - this may evolve into an ongoing weekly or biweekly meeting.
Pre-Reading list
List of short introductory material:
- P2P in a Nutshell
- Some Brief Thoughts on How to Ensure a Good Future
- Introduction to Alternative Currencies
- What is Abundance-Based Money?
- Ripplepay
- Quadrant view of different kinds of exchanges
- Towards A Commodity Ecology
- Transitioning ideas from Christian Arnsperger
- Collective Intelligence: Number of Women in Group Linked to Effectiveness in Solving Difficult Problems - or please leave your ego behind
- An example of good multi-party debate (although this is more one sided than what we want)
- Americans are misinformed about distribution of money
- Five Interwoven Economies: Subsistence, Gift, Exchange, Planned, and Theft
- Deep Discounting Errors?
- World's Largest Electronics Manufacturer Foxconn wants 1 million more robots in 3 years bye bye human labor
Session 1
Synopsis:The first session was introductory - with the participants getting to know each other. The discussion was light and touched on current challenges of how automation affects jobs and environmental sustainability concerns.
Moving forward:
- Concrete suggestions by Dr Sitharam:
- 1. I would suggest to everyone to approach the whole thing as a thought
experiment: "suppose a few of us decided to build a community that we would like,
- (a) what should the community achieve
- (b) what features should the community have
- (c) how would such a community operate and sustain itself, once it has
constructed itself (add on hypothetical technologies that this community would possess, but only if such technologies become necessary)
- (d) how to go about constructing it
- (a), (b), (c), (d) are intertwined views, but different people might
prefer different views.
- "Few" above is sufficiently many -- start with a community that is perhaps
a network of cooperatives, each with a few hundred members. Each cooperative caters to one aspect/commodity in a member's life. This network of coops is supplemented by another HUGE cooperative,i.e, today's traditional society/economy. We are allowed to keep increasing the size of the community (each cooperative, or number of cooperatives), as it becomes necessary.
- 2. Keeping a running transcript of the discussion and split off threads
corresponding to key questions that arise several times.
- 3. Some people prefer audio/video. I prefer just chat. If you can have many
threads in the chat, then people can move around to the different threads.
- 4. Then after a few discussions, you can zero in on those questions that
arise most often.
- Concrete suggestions by Mr Fernhout:
- From co-Laboratories of Democracy: "We have all experienced the benefits of dialogue when we openly and thoughtfully confront issues. We have also experienced the frustration of interminable discussion that does not lead to progress. Co-Laboratories of Democracy enable large, diverse groups to dialogue and generate positive results. Many group processes engender enthusiasm and good feeling as people share their concerns and hopes with each other. Co-Laboratories go beyond this initial euphoria to:
- Discover root causes;
- Adopt consensual action plans;
- Develop teams dedicated to implementing those plans; and
- Generate lasting bonds of respect, trust, and cooperation.
- Co-Laboratories achieve these results by respecting the autonomy of all participants, and utilizing an array of consensus tools including discipline, technology and graphics that allow the stakeholders to control the discussion."
- From co-Laboratories of Democracy: "We have all experienced the benefits of dialogue when we openly and thoughtfully confront issues. We have also experienced the frustration of interminable discussion that does not lead to progress. Co-Laboratories of Democracy enable large, diverse groups to dialogue and generate positive results. Many group processes engender enthusiasm and good feeling as people share their concerns and hopes with each other. Co-Laboratories go beyond this initial euphoria to:
Links (thanks Paul for providing a lot of them)
- Land-value tax
- Institute for 21st century Agoras
- Co-Laboratories of Democracy (Harnessing Collective Wisdom
- Working with Stories
- Subsidized Food Pyramid
- Buddhist Economics
- Robot Videos and P2P
- The Problems of Being Self Determining
- Acceleration of Addiction
- Beyond a Jobless Recovery
- Robotic Nation
- Solar may be cheaper than fossil fuels in 5 years
- Sustainable and Responsible Finance. Appeal.
- Lets-Linkup
Session 2
TBA