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Toynbec. I draw very heavily on Toynbee, both in agreement and in
==Toynbee==
 
"I draw very heavily on Toynbee, both in agreement and in
opposition, but almost exclusively on his extensively revised model of 1961,
opposition, but almost exclusively on his extensively revised model of 1961,
from Reconsiderations, rather than on the much better-known earlier volumes
from Reconsiderations, rather than on the much better-known earlier volumes
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in next best (Wilkinson, 1986:29). Toynbee is however seduced by the
in next best (Wilkinson, 1986:29). Toynbee is however seduced by the
mythos of cultural coherence - not entirely, no one is, and he provides a
mythos of cultural coherence - not entirely, no one is, and he provides a
useful model of cultural contradiction and connict, but he relates it integrally
useful model of cultural contradiction and conflict, but he relates it integrally
to breakdown. He is replete with fertile notions, and, I believe, is the most
to breakdown. He is replete with fertile notions, and, I believe, is the most
liberal of civilizationists, in the oldest sense ofthat word; an excellent teacher.
liberal of civilizationists, in the oldest sense of that word; an excellent teacher.
Quigley. Carroll Quigley provides a single, powerful, illuminating
 
 
==Quigley==
 
Carroll Quigley provides a single, powerful, illuminating
insight into the dynamics of civilizations, the concept of the instrument of
insight into the dynamics of civilizations, the concept of the instrument of
expansion, which I view as a nonpartisan and nonsupersessionist
expansion, which I view as a nonpartisan and non-supersessionist
empiricization of the Marxian "mode of production," and as such an
empiricization of the Marxian "mode of production," and as such an
improvement, with extensive research and practical implications. Some hint
improvement, with extensive research and practical implications. Some hint
of the latter can be found, on suitable occasions, in the kaleidoscopic
of the latter can be found, on suitable occasions, in the kaleidoscopic
consciousness of Quigley's one-time student, William Jefferson Clinton.
consciousness of Quigley's one-time student, William Jefferson Clinton.
Where many if not most civilizationists have centrally focused on culture,
Where many if not most civilizationists have centrally focused on culture,
Quigley focuses centrally on economics, and will probably be easiest for the
Quigley focuses centrally on economics, and will probably be easiest for the
world-systems tradition to come to grips with. However, after spending some
world-systems tradition to come to grips with. However, after spending some
time tryi ng to validate his proposition that growing civilizations are pervaded
time trying to validate his proposition that growing civilizations are pervaded
by a single instrument of expansion, I judged that I had disconfirmed it
by a single instrument of expansion, I judged that I had disconfirmed it
instead, gave up expecting macrosocieties to display much institutional
instead, gave up expecting macrosocieties to display much institutional
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confirmed, and that the location and limits of their application will be
confirmed, and that the location and limits of their application will be
significant.
significant.
Spengler. Spengler is the Antaeus of civilizationists, brilliantly,
 
 
==Spengler==
 
Spengler is the Antaeus of civilizationists, brilliantly,
perversely, powerfully wrong in more ways than any two others combined.
perversely, powerfully wrong in more ways than any two others combined.
Spengler's kcy proposition, to the effect that each civilization develops a
 
Spengler's key proposition, to the effect that each civilization develops a
single prime symbol, an all-pervasive style, is especially brilliantly wrong
single prime symbol, an all-pervasive style, is especially brilliantly wrong
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(the Gramscian doctrine of cultural "hegemony" being less so, except insofar
(the Gramscian doctrine of cultural "hegemony" being less so, except insofar
as it is doctrinaire, an answer instead of a question), and should point us to
as it is doctrinaire, an answer instead of a question), and should point us to
the study ofthe failure of repeated attempts in that direction, and the resilience
the study of the failure of repeated attempts in that direction, and the resilience
of deviant, oppositional, variant, heretical, inverted, oppressed symbols, as
of deviant, oppositional, variant, heretical, inverted, oppressed symbols, as
thematic of polycultural history. Is this failure correlated with the failure to
thematic of polycultural history. Is this failure correlated with the failure to
develop a single prime mode of production, class struggle, durable world
develop a single prime mode of production, class struggle, durable world
state and cosmopolis? I suspect so.
state and cosmopolis? I suspect so.
Melko. Melko accepts that today many civilizations coexist, and objects
 
 
==Melko==
 
Melko accepts that today many civilizations coexist, and objects
to the idea that the only way we can study contemporary civilization
to the idea that the only way we can study contemporary civilization
comparatively is to do so by reference to history. That is indeed the logical
comparatively is to do so by reference to history. That is indeed the logical
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our rosters. However, while he, like Spengler (1926: Table III), sees a feudal
our rosters. However, while he, like Spengler (1926: Table III), sees a feudal
state-imperial polity sequence (1969:101-32), I perceive no
state-imperial polity sequence (1969:101-32), I perceive no
holocivilizational feudal phase. Feudalism does indeed appear in
holo-civilizational feudal phase. Feudalism does indeed appear in
semiperipheries, with regard to which I find Rushton Coulborn's arguments
semiperipheries, with regard to which I find Rushton Coulborn's arguments
(1956:364-66) about feudalism as "a mode of revival of a society whose
(1956:364-66) about feudalism as "a mode of revival of a society whose
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following Toynbee's Helleno-Sinic model, in which, consistent with Robert
following Toynbee's Helleno-Sinic model, in which, consistent with Robert
Wesson's work (1967,1978), the states-system phase is more robust.
Wesson's work (1967,1978), the states-system phase is more robust.
Melko is also doubtful, as is Chase-Dunn, about my admission to
Melko is also doubtful, as is Chase-Dunn, about my admission to
civilizational status of very small-scale societies, with only one or two cities
civilizational status of very small-scale societies, with only one or two cities
- Melko questions my "Chibchan" civilization, Chase-Dunn my "Irish."
- Melko questions my "Chibchan" civilization, Chase-Dunn my "Irish."
More recently - since I have responded only by accepting even smaller
More recently - since I have responded only by accepting even smaller
civilizations into my roster (Wilkinson, 1993, 1994), Melko has suggested
civilizations into my roster (Wilkinson, 1993, 1994), Melko has suggested
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it now. Current candidates not treated then include several African
it now. Current candidates not treated then include several African
possibilities, and a second (!) Colombian candidate, Tairona "civilization."
possibilities, and a second (!) Colombian candidate, Tairona "civilization."
Hord. I view all of John Hord's papers (q.v.) with great interest. Our
 
 
==Hord==
 
I view all of John Hord's papers (q.v.) with great interest. Our
definitions of "civilization" are irreducibly different, but I believe that the
definitions of "civilization" are irreducibly different, but I believe that the
relatively homogeneous political-cultural entities he studies under that label
relatively homogeneous political-cultural entities he studies under that label
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persuade me that (my) civilizations are characteristically, not just
persuade me that (my) civilizations are characteristically, not just
incidentally, polycultures.
incidentally, polycultures.
Sorokin. I have discussed Sorokin more fully elsewhere (forthcoming,
 
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==Sorokin==
https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/ccr/vol30/iss30/9
 
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I have discussed Sorokin more fully elsewhere.
1995). In brief: I concur with Sorokin's powerful critique (1950:113-20,
 
In brief: I concur with Sorokin's powerful critique (1950:113-20,
206-17; 1956: 163-64; 1963:413-19; 1966: 121-22,548-49) of civilizationists
206-17; 1956: 163-64; 1963:413-19; 1966: 121-22,548-49) of civilizationists
- Spengler, Nikolai Danilevsky (1920), and especially Toynbee - who
- Spengler, Nikolai Danilevsky (1920), and especially Toynbee - who
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field where a multitude of vast and small cultural systems and congeries -
field where a multitude of vast and small cultural systems and congeries -
partly mutually harmonious, partly neutral, partly contradictory - coexist."
partly mutually harmonious, partly neutral, partly contradictory - coexist."
Huntington. Sorokin's comment is worth recalling in another context.
 
 
==Huntington==
 
Sorokin's comment is worth recalling in another context.
 
Samuel P. Huntington has lately (1993) brought a political scientist's
Samuel P. Huntington has lately (1993) brought a political scientist's
perspective to the study of civilizations. He defines civilizations as cultural
perspective to the study of civilizations. He defines civilizations as cultural
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be used to mobilize support for struggles for power and prestige within a
be used to mobilize support for struggles for power and prestige within a
solitary, incoherent civilization in which the ideologues have neither the
solitary, incoherent civilization in which the ideologues have neither the
capacity nor the intention to creat~ a coherent cultural system, let alone a
capacity nor the intention to create a coherent cultural system, let alone a
culture capable of functioning as an actor.
culture capable of functioning as an actor.
Melko has objected to my schema (which describes the general course
Melko has objected to my schema (which describes the general course
of macrosocial history as the fusion of many small civilizations into the one
of macrosocial history as the fusion of many small civilizations into the one
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precise) locution "conflict of cultures within a single civilization." We can
precise) locution "conflict of cultures within a single civilization." We can
then proceed to use for our historical analogs not the past collisions and
then proceed to use for our historical analogs not the past collisions and
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fusions between civilizations, but the more frequent, more complex and
fusions between civilizations, but the more frequent, more complex and
delicate (and, I suspect, more dialogic and perhaps even less violent) interplay
delicate (and, I suspect, more dialogic and perhaps even less violent) interplay
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sanguine about the outcome of such a conflict, even while being less sure
sanguine about the outcome of such a conflict, even while being less sure
of its coming rise to prominence, than Huntington.
of its coming rise to prominence, than Huntington.
Chase-Dunn and Hall vs. Frank and Gills. On the issue of whether there
 
 
==Chase-Dunn and Hall vs. Frank and Gills==
 
On the issue of whether there
are many different precapitalist world-systems with different modes of
are many different precapitalist world-systems with different modes of
production (Chase-Dunn and Hall, 199Ia:23), or a single SOOO-year worldsystem with a single developmental logic (Frank and Gills), I partly split the
production (Chase-Dunn and Hall, 199Ia:23), or a single SOOO-year worldsystem with a single developmental logic (Frank and Gills), I partly split the
difference and partly disagree with both. (I) I don't use the term
difference and partly disagree with both.  
 
(I) I don't use the term
"precapitalist" to describe any empirical civilization/world system; while
"precapitalist" to describe any empirical civilization/world system; while
capitalist (and socialist) ideals, ideologies, and utopias are rather recent, their
capitalist (and socialist) ideals, ideologies, and utopias are rather recent, their
accumulative and distributive practices are very old, possibly both
accumulative and distributive practices are very old, possibly both
contemporaneous with the startup of civilization. (2) I find many different
contemporaneous with the startup of civilization.  
 
(2) I find many different
world-systems (like Chase-Dunn and Hall), but of such unequal size, duration
world-systems (like Chase-Dunn and Hall), but of such unequal size, duration
and terminus that one ofthem (essentially that focused on by Gills and Frank)
and terminus that one ofthem (essentially that focused on by Gills and Frank)
eventually engulfed the others; this is the political!civilizational structure I
eventually engulfed the others; this is the political!civilizational structure I
call Central Civilization. (3) In consequence of not finding one pervasive
call Central Civilization.  
 
(3) In consequence of not finding one pervasive
Quigleyan "instrument of expansion" in any civilization, I don't use the term
Quigleyan "instrument of expansion" in any civilization, I don't use the term
"mode of production" in any world-system-Icvel application, except as a
"mode of production" in any world-system-Icvel application, except as a
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patterning; though at some times in each some new or reinvented form has
patterning; though at some times in each some new or reinvented form has
looked like it would spread throughout and extirpate all others, it is
looked like it would spread throughout and extirpate all others, it is
"institutionalized" (in the Quigleyan sense, i.e., detlectcd and corrupted) and
"institutionalized" (in the Quigleyan sense, i.e., deflected and corrupted) and
reaches a limit well short of that. This pattern of failure is as interesting as
reaches a limit well short of that. This pattern of failure is as interesting as
the variety of forms and their mutual displacement processes, and should
the variety of forms and their mutual displacement processes, and should
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Chase-Dunn. Since the 1970s I have held that all civilizations are world
 
==Chase-Dunn==
 
Since the 1970s I have held that all civilizations are world
systems; but since the 1960s I have accepted that there are some world
systems; but since the 1960s I have accepted that there are some world
systems which are not civilizations, that is, very small, nonurban
systems which are not civilizations, that is, very small, nonurban
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research, which should help to detail the differences between the smallest,
research, which should help to detail the differences between the smallest,
city less, world systems and the next level larger, the one- and two-city
city less, world systems and the next level larger, the one- and two-city
protocivilizations, of which I now believe several, probably many, more
proto-civilizations, of which I now believe several, probably many, more
must have existed (most only briefly, "abortive" in a sense analogous to
must have existed (most only briefly, "abortive" in a sense analogous to
Toynbee' s) than have as yet been found. One appropriate line of comparativecivilizational fieldwork for the future will, with luck, be the search for lost
Toynbee' s) than have as yet been found. One appropriate line of comparative civilizational fieldwork for the future will, with luck, be the search for lost
and forgotten cities, carried on with new and superior technical means
and forgotten cities, carried on with new and superior technical means
afforded by aerial and satellite photography, with searches for patterned,
afforded by aerial and satellite photography, with searches for patterned,
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fruitful zone for such exploration will I think be the forested areas of Africa
fruitful zone for such exploration will I think be the forested areas of Africa
south of the Sahara.
south of the Sahara.
On another issue (not yet discussed in print), Chase-Dunn is
On another issue (not yet discussed in print), Chase-Dunn is
considerably more skeptical, and I considerably more receptive, to the socialphysics or complex-systems-physics ideas of Arthur S. Iberall, which I have
considerably more skeptical, and I considerably more receptive, to the socialphysics or complex-systems-physics ideas of Arthur S. Iberall, which I have
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of cities and civilizations "missing" from current records and to be searched
of cities and civilizations "missing" from current records and to be searched
for (Wilkinson, 1994, forthcoming).
for (Wilkinson, 1994, forthcoming).
Gills and Frank. Currently the best short compilation of their
 
 
==Gills and Frank==
 
Currently the best short compilation of their
contentions, examined at length in Frank and Gills (1993), is Frank's five
contentions, examined at length in Frank and Gills (1993), is Frank's five
propositions (1993:2). (I) The "existence and development of the present
propositions (1993:2).  
 
(I) The "existence and development of the present
world system stretches back at least 5000 years": I date its existence back
world system stretches back at least 5000 years": I date its existence back
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3500 years, when there was a critical fusion of its predecessors or roots,
3500 years, when there was a critical fusion of its predecessors or roots,
which go back at least 5500 years; in essence we concur. (2) The "same
which go back at least 5500 years; in essence we concur.  
process of capital accumulation has played a, if not the, central role in the
 
(2) The "same process of capital accumulation has played a, if not the, central role in the
world system for several millennia": I say "a, but not the" central role, in
world system for several millennia": I say "a, but not the" central role, in
this and all other civilizational world systems (but not in the nonurban world
this and all other civilizational world systems (but not in the nonurban world
systems Chase-Dunn studies). (3) The "Center-Periphery Slructure .. .is also
systems Chase-Dunn studies).  
 
(3) The "Center-Periphery Structure .. .is also
applicable to the world system before 1492": having accepted Quigley's
applicable to the world system before 1492": having accepted Quigley's
(1961) argument on this point when he made it, I more than agree; the
(1961) argument on this point when he made it, I more than agree; the
structure is applicable to all civilizations, that is, to all civiJizational world
structure is applicable to all civilizations, that is, to all civilizational world
systems (but not necessarily to nonurban world systems); I have provided a
systems (but not necessarily to nonurban world systems); I have provided a
more detailed account (Wilkinson, 1991). (4) Hegemony "and rivalry for
more detailed account (Wilkinson, 1991).  
 
(4) Hegemony "and rivalry for
the same a!so mark world system history long before" 1492: I agree as to
the same a!so mark world system history long before" 1492: I agree as to
rivalry, extending my agreement to the other world systems; but there is a
rivalry, extending my agreement to the other world systems; but there is a
lot less hegemony achieved than is believed, and most of the best-known
lot less hegemony achieved than is believed, and most of the best-known
"hegemons" (e.g., 19th-century Britain, the United States after World War
"hegemons" (e.g., 19th-century Britain, the United States after World War
II) simply aren't. (5) The "world system cycle" of A phases and B phases
II) simply aren't.  
 
(5) The "world system cycle" of A phases and B phases
extends back many centuries before 1492: I agree fully, and have confirmed
extends back many centuries before 1492: I agree fully, and have confirmed
this independently (Wilkinson, 1992, 1993), for other world systems as weIl.  
this independently (Wilkinson, 1992, 1993), for other world systems as well."


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Discussion

David Wilkinson:


Toynbee

"I draw very heavily on Toynbee, both in agreement and in opposition, but almost exclusively on his extensively revised model of 1961, from Reconsiderations, rather than on the much better-known earlier volumes of A Study of History. My definition of a civilization/world system takes off from his rethinking (1961 :278-87). My roster is based on a critique of his list and Quigley's. In an empirical test of his civilizational kinematics (phase transition sequence), original and revised versions, vs. those of Spengler, Philip Bagby (1958), Melko, and Quigley, my data fit the expectations of his revised theory perfectly; those of his original theory came in next best (Wilkinson, 1986:29). Toynbee is however seduced by the mythos of cultural coherence - not entirely, no one is, and he provides a useful model of cultural contradiction and conflict, but he relates it integrally to breakdown. He is replete with fertile notions, and, I believe, is the most liberal of civilizationists, in the oldest sense of that word; an excellent teacher.


Quigley

Carroll Quigley provides a single, powerful, illuminating insight into the dynamics of civilizations, the concept of the instrument of expansion, which I view as a nonpartisan and non-supersessionist empiricization of the Marxian "mode of production," and as such an improvement, with extensive research and practical implications. Some hint of the latter can be found, on suitable occasions, in the kaleidoscopic consciousness of Quigley's one-time student, William Jefferson Clinton.

Where many if not most civilizationists have centrally focused on culture, Quigley focuses centrally on economics, and will probably be easiest for the world-systems tradition to come to grips with. However, after spending some time trying to validate his proposition that growing civilizations are pervaded by a single instrument of expansion, I judged that I had disconfirmed it instead, gave up expecting macrosocieties to display much institutional coherence, and began to consider the structure of their incoherence. In that incoherence, I think that many of Quigley's propositions will be partially confirmed, and that the location and limits of their application will be significant.


Spengler

Spengler is the Antaeus of civilizationists, brilliantly, perversely, powerfully wrong in more ways than any two others combined.

Spengler's key proposition, to the effect that each civilization develops a single prime symbol, an all-pervasive style, is especially brilliantly wrong (the Gramscian doctrine of cultural "hegemony" being less so, except insofar as it is doctrinaire, an answer instead of a question), and should point us to the study of the failure of repeated attempts in that direction, and the resilience of deviant, oppositional, variant, heretical, inverted, oppressed symbols, as thematic of polycultural history. Is this failure correlated with the failure to develop a single prime mode of production, class struggle, durable world state and cosmopolis? I suspect so.


Melko

Melko accepts that today many civilizations coexist, and objects to the idea that the only way we can study contemporary civilization comparatively is to do so by reference to history. That is indeed the logical consequence of my acceptance that today only one civilization exists. Our respective rosters are properly derived from different definitions; we can agree on some phenomena common to the civilizations that appear on both our rosters. However, while he, like Spengler (1926: Table III), sees a feudal state-imperial polity sequence (1969:101-32), I perceive no holo-civilizational feudal phase. Feudalism does indeed appear in semiperipheries, with regard to which I find Rushton Coulborn's arguments (1956:364-66) about feudalism as "a mode of revival of a society whose polity has gone into extreme disintegration" in marginal regions - religion being the general and core-area recovery modality - quite convincing. As for states systems and empires, I find not a supersession but an alternation, following Toynbee's Helleno-Sinic model, in which, consistent with Robert Wesson's work (1967,1978), the states-system phase is more robust.


Melko is also doubtful, as is Chase-Dunn, about my admission to civilizational status of very small-scale societies, with only one or two cities - Melko questions my "Chibchan" civilization, Chase-Dunn my "Irish."

More recently - since I have responded only by accepting even smaller civilizations into my roster (Wilkinson, 1993, 1994), Melko has suggested that I will have to locate still others, for example, in Central Asia. My point (10) above concurs with him. I hadn't closed my roster of civilizations in 1982 or 1987 (Wilkinson, 1980-1982, 1987b), and I am not ready to close it now. Current candidates not treated then include several African possibilities, and a second (!) Colombian candidate, Tairona "civilization."


Hord

I view all of John Hord's papers (q.v.) with great interest. Our definitions of "civilization" are irreducibly different, but I believe that the relatively homogeneous political-cultural entities he studies under that label are genuine, and his understanding of them creative and novel. The persistence and the fissility of his constitutional traditions has helped to persuade me that (my) civilizations are characteristically, not just incidentally, polycultures.


Sorokin

I have discussed Sorokin more fully elsewhere.

In brief: I concur with Sorokin's powerful critique (1950:113-20, 206-17; 1956: 163-64; 1963:413-19; 1966: 121-22,548-49) of civilizationists - Spengler, Nikolai Danilevsky (1920), and especially Toynbee - who observed social groups and thought they observed cultural groups. Sorokin however resolves the difficulty by refusing the analytic concept of "civilization." I resolve it by treating civilizations as social groups and not as cultural groups, each, just as Sorokin complained (1950:213), "a cultural field where a multitude of vast and small cultural systems and congeries - partly mutually harmonious, partly neutral, partly contradictory - coexist."


Huntington

Sorokin's comment is worth recalling in another context.

Samuel P. Huntington has lately (1993) brought a political scientist's perspective to the study of civilizations. He defines civilizations as cultural groupings and cultural identities, accepts the plurality of contemporary civilizations, presents a largely Toynbeean civilizational roster (23-25), and hypothesizes that in the next phase of world politics "the fault lines between civilizations will be the battIe lines of the future" (22). His argument is detailed and provocative. I believe Sorokin would rightly contend that Huntington's "major civilizations"-"Western, Confucian, Japanese, Islamic, Hindu, Slavic-Orthodox, Latin American, and possibly African civilization" (25) - are "cultural fields" rather than either systems or potential actors. I would add that they are cultural subfields in the global cultural field of a single civilization, a social and not a cultural entity. I consequently doubt the hypotheses that "conflict between civilizations will supplant ideological and other forms of conflict as the dominant global form of conflict" and that "international relations ... will increasingly ... become a game in which non-Western civilizations are actors ... " (48). More likely, nostalgic ideologies of lost civilizational isolation and cultural status will be used to mobilize support for struggles for power and prestige within a solitary, incoherent civilization in which the ideologues have neither the capacity nor the intention to create a coherent cultural system, let alone a culture capable of functioning as an actor.

Melko has objected to my schema (which describes the general course of macrosocial history as the fusion of many small civilizations into the one contemporary global civilization) on the grounds that it destroys the possibility of a comparative study of civilizations, except so far as that study is also historical. That is indeed its logical consequence. But those who nonetheless wish to examine dialogically Huntington's contention that the next stage in global political conflict will be a conflict of civilizations can still do so perfectly well, but employing the different (and to my mind more precise) locution "conflict of cultures within a single civilization." We can then proceed to use for our historical analogs not the past collisions and fusions between civilizations, but the more frequent, more complex and delicate (and, I suspect, more dialogic and perhaps even less violent) interplay of the parts of a single society's polyculture. As a first approximation, on account of the analogy I consider appropriate I am probably a bit more sanguine about the outcome of such a conflict, even while being less sure of its coming rise to prominence, than Huntington.


Chase-Dunn and Hall vs. Frank and Gills

On the issue of whether there are many different precapitalist world-systems with different modes of production (Chase-Dunn and Hall, 199Ia:23), or a single SOOO-year worldsystem with a single developmental logic (Frank and Gills), I partly split the difference and partly disagree with both.

(I) I don't use the term "precapitalist" to describe any empirical civilization/world system; while capitalist (and socialist) ideals, ideologies, and utopias are rather recent, their accumulative and distributive practices are very old, possibly both contemporaneous with the startup of civilization.

(2) I find many different world-systems (like Chase-Dunn and Hall), but of such unequal size, duration and terminus that one ofthem (essentially that focused on by Gills and Frank) eventually engulfed the others; this is the political!civilizational structure I call Central Civilization.

(3) In consequence of not finding one pervasive Quigleyan "instrument of expansion" in any civilization, I don't use the term "mode of production" in any world-system-Icvel application, except as a hypothesis I don't expect to see confirmed. Each of the civilizations is heterogeneous, polycultural, incoherent with respect to its politico-economic patterning; though at some times in each some new or reinvented form has looked like it would spread throughout and extirpate all others, it is "institutionalized" (in the Quigleyan sense, i.e., deflected and corrupted) and reaches a limit well short of that. This pattern of failure is as interesting as the variety of forms and their mutual displacement processes, and should keep a generation or so of macrosocial theorists productively employed in verifying, describing, and explaining it.


Chase-Dunn

Since the 1970s I have held that all civilizations are world systems; but since the 1960s I have accepted that there are some world systems which are not civilizations, that is, very small, nonurban polycultures. Christopher Chase-Dunn is now in the lead on this line of research, which should help to detail the differences between the smallest, city less, world systems and the next level larger, the one- and two-city proto-civilizations, of which I now believe several, probably many, more must have existed (most only briefly, "abortive" in a sense analogous to Toynbee' s) than have as yet been found. One appropriate line of comparative civilizational fieldwork for the future will, with luck, be the search for lost and forgotten cities, carried on with new and superior technical means afforded by aerial and satellite photography, with searches for patterned, centric, and radial disturbances of soil and vegetation, showing the patterns of points and lines that usually represent civilizational geometry. The first fruitful zone for such exploration will I think be the forested areas of Africa south of the Sahara.

On another issue (not yet discussed in print), Chase-Dunn is considerably more skeptical, and I considerably more receptive, to the socialphysics or complex-systems-physics ideas of Arthur S. Iberall, which I have found productive of useful hypotheses (as to, for example, why and how the several early-born civilizations initially formed near simultaneously (lberall and Wilkinson, 1986); the relation of polyculturality to civilization (Iberall and Wilkinson, 1993); what might be the order of magnitude of the number of cities and civilizations "missing" from current records and to be searched for (Wilkinson, 1994, forthcoming).


Gills and Frank

Currently the best short compilation of their contentions, examined at length in Frank and Gills (1993), is Frank's five propositions (1993:2).

(I) The "existence and development of the present world system stretches back at least 5000 years": I date its existence back 3500 years, when there was a critical fusion of its predecessors or roots, which go back at least 5500 years; in essence we concur.

(2) The "same process of capital accumulation has played a, if not the, central role in the world system for several millennia": I say "a, but not the" central role, in this and all other civilizational world systems (but not in the nonurban world systems Chase-Dunn studies).

(3) The "Center-Periphery Structure .. .is also applicable to the world system before 1492": having accepted Quigley's (1961) argument on this point when he made it, I more than agree; the structure is applicable to all civilizations, that is, to all civilizational world systems (but not necessarily to nonurban world systems); I have provided a more detailed account (Wilkinson, 1991).

(4) Hegemony "and rivalry for the same a!so mark world system history long before" 1492: I agree as to rivalry, extending my agreement to the other world systems; but there is a lot less hegemony achieved than is believed, and most of the best-known "hegemons" (e.g., 19th-century Britain, the United States after World War II) simply aren't.

(5) The "world system cycle" of A phases and B phases extends back many centuries before 1492: I agree fully, and have confirmed this independently (Wilkinson, 1992, 1993), for other world systems as well."

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