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Cyberunions podcast interview with Peter Waterman at 


# Part One, http://cyberunions.org/2012/01/16/the-cyberunions-podcast-episode-31-the-tech-5th-international/
# Part Two, http://cyberunions.org/2012/01/30/the-cyberunions-talk-show-episode-33-return-of-the-5th-international/


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==Part One==

"6:50 Interview with Peter Waterman

    * Where the ideas originate?
    * Began working with unions in 1985 ICT
    * International Labor Communication by Computer: The 5th International?

11:34 Working with Communication Officers

    * Did not want to save computer data
    * Fear of the Boss
    * Actually fear competing trade unions

18:34 A further step

    * Unionbook starts up
    * Broadcasting instead of engaging
    * Labourstart is not a dialogical site

26:23 Low level of technology

    * What is the penetration of Internet Cafés
    * Can’t say trade unions were part of the Arab Spring

33:10 Labor gets outflanked

    * Communication internationalism
    * Network is the way Occupy has developed.
    * Revolutions inside capitalism

35:44 End Part One

==Part Two==

8:14 Part two of the Interview

    * Peter Waterman explains his background
    * Interest in Internationalism as communication

11:50 What can unions do

    * Dedicating union staff to communication
    * Let loose on the Internet
    * Incapacity of unions to communicate effectively

15:00 Another kind of world

    * Cyberspace is another kind of reality, like cinema…
    * It is real virtuality
    * New Unionism and Unionbook are attempts, but subversive to top down labor

17:40 Tension between Vertical and Horizontal

    * Trade union conference is not like Occupy
    * Need some forms of coordination instead of top down leadership
    * Move from controlling to influencing things instead

20:15 Unions need to go to school

    * Need to work with the new social movements
    * If unions need a consultant should talk to Michael Moore, He has working class background
    * Need a Labor site dedicated to dialog

23:20 Swarm Theory

    * Light and flexible formal structure, Large long time commitment
    * Occupy Movement is a swarm
    * Worker or Collective articulation connects to swarm

28:00 The 1992 paper

    * People were pissed off at me
    * “‘The 5th international?’ What kind of shit is that?” ~union boss

30:14 Wrap up


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