[p2p-research] Post-Depression first: Americans get more money from government than they give back | csmonitor.com

Ryan Lanham rlanham1963 at gmail.com
Wed Nov 25 20:36:22 CET 2009

On 11/25/09, J. Andrew Rogers <reality.miner at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> There is little to be proud of in nominal identity or affiliation,
> that is monkey tribalism and the cause of many human ills.  Being less
> incompetent or less evil than is not exactly a worthwhile achievement
> -- that should be the base standard.

In many respects I agree.  But pride in place can be a good thing...it
builds community, commitment, civil society, etc.

P2P advocates are generally against jingoism, nationalism, and especially
statism, I'd say.

I think the aim is to find ways to innovate at grass-roots levels to create
more stable, workable social frameworks.  Further, I think that there is a
real sense amongst many of us that the old ways of corporate growth and
capital are on the way out--for myriad reasons.  Something must fill
the opening void.  Hopefully that something allows for broad participation
and high levels of social support--whether it is financial or otherwise.
People here aren't free-riders in my view.  They want good systems and think
about positive futures.

It isn't socialism.  It isn't green.  It isn't anarchism.  But all those
streams feed it.  I think what people here tend to share is more a hope that
sharing and benign social interactions are a greater portion of our lives.
It tends to be localist, leftist, "hippie" and automation oriented.  But I
might just as much have said it is anti-establishmentarian,
innovation-oriented, solutions-focused and experimental.  Hard to
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