[p2p-research] IMPORTANT, seven pathways to social power

Samuel Rose samuel.rose at gmail.com
Sat Nov 7 18:38:36 CET 2009

I was really into Spiraldynamics in the past, but I have long ago left it
out of my own communications (usually) because people were finding my
references to it too obscure.

Never the less, I agree that it seems to be really similar to what Clare W
Graves, and later Cowan and Beck, described below.

It seems to make sense (more now than when I first heard of the idea 10
years ago) if one person is empowered to take on multiple roles in a system,
they can potentially adaptively act alone, and/or connect with others as
appropriate. This is *especially* possible when their systems afford both
optimally working with others, *and* what works best for each individual.

Phoebe Moore mentioned to me in a comment on facebook the following:

"(...) we need to talk about what is required at the level of labour (lives)
and work (action) that are going into this paradigm and structure.
Superstructure doesn't disappear when you paradigm-ise (give power to,
through the dominance of ideas) the base."

The abone comment from Phoebe is relevant here, I think. I assume Phoebe is
talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure_(Marxism)

I believe Phoebe is right that "Superstructure" doesn't disappear. Instead,
I  think that it transforms, and *combines* on different scales, in "p2p"
systems. "Many to many" systems provide a plurality of ways to connect for
each individual. They also provide a way for "inputs" in a system to be
transformed into "outputs", and for the same resource to act as

I'd like to know more about what Phoebe is saying here. If you have time,
maybe you can jump into this, Phoebe?

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Sam,
> your remark is remarkably consistent with the shift from yellow to
> turqouise as described below:
>  « How the internet reshapes healthcare and e-patients<http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-internet-reshapes-healthcare-and-e-patients/2009/11/07>
> Robin Wood on Shifts in Value Exchange as related to phases in Human
> Development<http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/robin-wood-on-shifts-in-value-exchange-as-related-to-phases-in-human-development/2009/11/11>
> [image: photo of Michel Bauwens]
> Michel Bauwens
> 11th November 2009
>  A contribution by Robin Wood<http://r2meshwork.ning.com/group/complementarycurrency>,
> applying the Spiral Dynamics theory of human developmental phases to value
> exchange.
> *Robin Wood:*
> *“I believe it is helpful to context how value is created, appropriated
> and exchanged at different levels of development. We need to answer the
> first question posed by this group: What are all the different types of
> value in our civilisation?*
> *Today we are living in a modernist world where financial capital created
> by banks is the dominant means of exchange and unit of value. Complementary
> currencies enable us to create, allocate and exchange value outside of this
> global financial system when classic money limits what is possible. Yet we
> need to be clear about what we are creating, allocating and exchanging, and
> why, otherwise even the cleverest system will not work.*
> *Below is an overview of what I believe are the dominant sources of
> “capital” (or “value”) on each of the levels of human development. (I’ve
> mapped these onto the Spiral Dynamics and integral models for convenience):
> *
> *• Beige - food, clothing, housing= physical survival of the hunter
> gatherer clan. Primary exchanges are with nature and within the clan.*
> *• Purple - land, territory, tribal power= ethnocentric wellbeing. Engages
> in barter and trade between tribes, including arranged marriages.*
> *• Red – physical dominance, means of coercion incl weaponry= exchanging
> means of physical power and symbols of power. Engages in trade and wages
> war/uses threats for what it cannot get by peaceful means.*
> *• Blue - being right, domination through rules and “the truth”= moral
> capital. Start of the first banking systems in the first Renaissance in
> Florence. Conservative with money and failure to repay debts carries a heavy
> social price.*
> *• Orange – progress and accumulation of symbolic wealth = financial
> capital. Money now equals information and becomes the primary scorecard.
> Business failure is now acceptable provided the entrepreneur/borrower “did
> their best”. Risk becomes a statistical property and is depersonalised.
> Cause of our global economic crisis.*
> *• Green- authentic human bonding, social justice and healing of
> pathologies in first tier = social capital. Green is egalitarian; driven by
> feelings; authentic; sharing and caring; focused on being part of and
> creating community. Where green gets stuck is in trying to create consensus
> where this is impossible, falling back into passive desiderata such as
> “peace” and “dialog”.*
> *• At the Entering green/YELLOW range, other people’s opinions still weigh
> heavily. Their input can sway decisions emotionally. But tempered
> individualism is also rising from the collective without confinement to
> ORANGE islands of independence or tough RED exploitiveness. This
> interdependence releases one to be as he or she chooses on personal terms,
> sometimes seeking inclusion and cooperating. If challenged or threatened,
> the same person becomes cold and ruthless as necessary.”*
> *• Yellow – knowledge power = intellectual capital. YELLOW engages a
> number of unique problem- resolution and decision-making processes that are
> both highly complex in design and remarkably simple in execution . People
> who are centered elsewhere along the Spiral are befuddled by YELLOW. To
> PURPLE they are virtually invisible. To RED they are strange, but sometimes
> fun to hang out with. To BLUE they appear inconsistent, disrespectful, and
> out-of-focus. To ORANGE they seem unwilling to commit themselves fully to
> achieving objectives. From the GREEN standpoint, they seem cool and
> reserved, intellectualizing emotions without joining wholeheartedly into the
> group experience.*
> *• Turquoise – Yet, as the Spiral zig zags once again between a focus on
> ‘me’ and ‘us,’ a new sense of community begins to replace individualism.
> TURQUOISE, the global collective of individuals, rises to enfold YELLOW, the
> information elites. It turns out that the great YELLOW questions cannot be
> answered - indeed, cannot even be adequately addressed - by lone human
> beings, no matter how much they know or how often they link up in
> cyberspace. *
> *Other shifts occur and trend lines begin to form at this transition: *
> *o The search for universal causality and the means necessary to reorder
> the chaos of the world are revived. *
> *o A sense of communitarian experiences resurfaces, but without the heavy
> emotional loadings of the GREEN group’s grope. *
> *o Knowledge develops a life of its own, suggesting that a focus on
> particles and entities will be replaced by an understanding of groups,
> fields and waves *
> *o We develop collective social and spiritual capital, and collective
> intelligence.” *
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Dear friends in cc, I have a particular request for you to engage in
>> > discussion, and to describe the 8th way to social power, the p2p way,
>> which
>> > may be missing from this list
>> >
>> > It concerns an excellent conceptual article on political strategies for
>> > emancipation, by Eric Olin Wright, see
>> > http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/22074
>> >
>> I will dig in deeper, but some initial thoughts
>> One thing that strikes me about "p2p" oriented "social power"  is that
>> while it makes potentially all power mechanisms available to the
>> individual, the individual tends to discover that there is a limit to
>> their individual expression. The individual discovers that there are
>> cases where expression is enhanced by working in
>> cooperation/coordination with others. "P2P" affords the individual the
>> flexibility to adaptively act as an individual, and with others with
>> little cost to the overall system. Social learning, memory/prediction,
>> self-selected coordination, and the empowerment of any individual to
>> connect existing networks, makes this possible.
>> "P2P" is the first system that can embed exponential potential for
>> adaptive expression in any given participant. (a metaphor is) that
>> genes can exponentially adaptively express based on their neighbors.
>> --
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Sam Rose
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"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition."
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