[p2p-research] Building Alliances (basic income and entrepreneurship)

J. Andrew Rogers reality.miner at gmail.com
Sat Nov 7 07:35:53 CET 2009

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Another view is that talent is distributed in many ways, and so our systems
> need to be more distributed to capture that innovation and contribution, as
> that is not sufficiently done at present.

This is true, but you are not understanding why it is true or the
nature of that system. I take it no one here is a big fan of math?

> So to challenge Andrew's very clear metaphysics:

I have metaphysics? Does my mother know?

> 1) people can get smarter, and in many ways are getting smarter, through
> smart educational and social policies

People are not becoming more intelligent. However, they are using
their intelligence more efficiently, which is consistent with theory.

> 2) the intelligence we have is increasing in value, the more so if we
> interconnected people and their contributions in collective intelligence
> systems; there is a network effect to human intelligence deployed in this
> social and distributed way

Intelligence is not a synonym for information. Consequently the above
does not make sense unless you use correct terminology.

> 3) intelligence is incredibly addictive, all human knowledge builds on
> previous one, and recombines in myriad ways to create more and more
> additional intelligence

Whatever you are talking about, it is not "intelligence".

> I also note that in a world where myriad social problems are showing up and
> increasing, the system you propose, in your own words, is incapable of
> investing in it.

Sure. I'm not big on reality denial. However, you have not proposed an
alternative that does not have the same properties.

> Time to move on then perhaps, and let others take over the work of investing
> in the common good?

Well that's the problem now, isn't it?  I'm waiting for someone to
propose a way to do that which passes basic critical muster, but there
hasn't been much beyond handwaving.  I've been working on this problem
for years, but from a slightly more rigorous perspective.

> The good news is that for people who are willing to
> invest in the social good, it is not actually a hard problem, and
> opportunities abound. This is why there is now a thriving field of social
> enterpreneurship, blended capital, and social venture investing, while the
> VC world is in crisis.

We can't meaningfully solve these problems if we pretend fundamental
problems with the proposals don't exist. I've heard all these happy
proposals before, because I used to work with NGOs on designing
sustainable systems and international protocols of this type. We
initially made the same naive mistakes then that are being made here

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

J. Andrew Rogers

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