[p2p-research] About the concept of holoptism etc.
bas.reus at gmail.com
Wed Aug 19 12:53:07 CEST 2009
Interesting questions Juhana.
I'm currently doing research about self-organization and online
collaborative spaces (http://basreus.nl/).
Roughly, my research question is "How to support self-organization in
organizations, and how to imbed online collaborative spaces in those
organizations to empower employees for self-organization?", and mention
topics as stigmergy, swarm-intelligence, organizational forms, autopoiesis
and the like.
Are your questions still relevant? If not, can you update them?
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi Juhana,
> I found this old email to which I did not respond, sorry for that.
> Are you aware of the seminar that Athina is organizing with me in Hull,
> where your topic would be most appropriate? see
> your questions below are a little too complex for a short answer, but we
> can always skype about it?
> This text would be a must read on the topic, see
> and have you seen mark pesce's the tower and the cloud text?,
> are you familiar with the integral AQAL framework, that I would use, if I
> had time, to respond to your query in detail ... in short; there are 4
> levels subjective, intersubjective (culture), objective (technology),
> interobjective (systems), where this conflict plays out
> are you familiar with bioteaming (ken thompson),
> mark elliot's stigmergic collaboration, http://p2pfoundation.net/Stigmergy
> I think that Tom Rawlings and Bas Reus, are either interested, or working
> on the topic.
> all the people mentioned above are in cc,
> Perhaps you could post this query at Ning, http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/,
> or on the p2p research list, where we could start a dialogue on it?
> I found the first reference to holoptism, in a report on collective
> intelligence by jean-francois noubel, see
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Juhana Kokkonen <juhana.kokkonen at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>> Hi Michel,
>> it was a honour to meet you yesterday in Medialab Helsinki. I was the guy
>> who asked the origin of the concept of the "holoptism" and I thought that it
>> would be easier to ask the writer and the book/article by email. So who was
>> it and what was the text? ;)
>> Unfortunately the meeting was so short that I didn't get the chance to
>> answer you about the swarm-like structures vs. strong (normal) social
>> networks. So if you have some day time to discuss about this subject with
>> me, I would be very pleased.
>> So: of course I don't expect that normal connections or social relations
>> vanishes > the idea is more like that there will be one layer more in
>> collaboration and/or communication. I see the concept of swarm-like
>> structures a new way to find interesting people to collaborate and a light
>> way to make border crossing between different institutions and social
>> I also started to think after meeting you the conflict between
>> "traditional organizations" and "transparent swarms" (or holoptic activity
>> or something like that). I see this as a essential problem in my
>> organizational change process.
>> - What are the causes for this conflict from your viewpoint?
>> - And do you see, what kind of actions could solve this conflict?
>> Is conflict between control and drifting? Power? Habits? Mental models?
>> Ok, there is too much questions, but I appreciate if you can give some kind
>> of opinion from your point of view ;)
>> Juhana Kokkonen
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