[p2p-research] p2presearch Digest, Vol 22, Issue 30

Michel Bauwens michelsub2004 at gmail.com
Tue Aug 11 05:56:00 CEST 2009

I think the key is really divesting the local project, from the global aim
and a global community.

I see it as a movie director or a restaurant, we may dislike any chef's or
producers' managing style, but it is still legitimate to have individual
visions creating new realities ... So people who would find the more
authoritarian practice acceptable would still be able to support the locale
of Marcin,

but the key issue is that any local dysfunction would not hold back a global
move towards such an integrated set of open source technologies ...

Of course, that's nice in theory, but I have no idea how it could happen?

Perhaps some people formerly associated with the project could create a open
fork which would have that global aspect, and deal positively and
respectfully, despite the ill feelings, with the Marcin Locale?


On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Kevin Carson <
free.market.anticapitalist at gmail.com> wrote:

> > From: Edward Miller <embraceunity at gmail.com>
> > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:17:28 -0500
> > Subject: Re: p2presearch Digest, Vol 22, Issue 30
> > I am also a true fan. Yet, I have frequently compared Marcin to Stalin
> and
> > Mao in private conversations. The similarities are striking, and have
> been
> > for quite some time. He is always coming up with 3 month plans. He
> doesn't
> > tolerate any inefficiency. He needs to be the center of attention. His
> idea
> > of OSE is actually not all that different from Mao's Great Leap Forward,
> as
> > far as trying to decentralize industrial production. Turns out he is a
> bit
> > paranoid as well, or at least quick to blame others for problems.
> >
> > He means well, but I tend to agree with most of what has been said. To
> > actually withdraw support from the movement would be a hard thing to do.
> I
> > am heavily invested in it, and cognitive biases associated with that
> > investment are hard to shake.
> >
> > What should I do about the reprap I am building? I'll contact the guy who
> > sent me the parts, see what he thinks.
> Nice to see you on this list, Edward.  I remember you from the comment
> thread under that blog post on libertarianism.
> The question of your RepRap is a toughie.  You should probably just go
> with your gut instinct as to how it would be best used.  I certainly
> hope Factor E Farm continues, because with all the drama it's still
> the most concentrated source of institutional memory on all the
> projects as a coherent package, and it would take anyone else a long
> time to replicate it based solely on written accounts and video
> imagery.  If you think it will continue as a going concern, and be
> able to continue making progress on the fabrication projects
> (multimachine and all), then giving it to them (if that's what you
> were planning), even if you have to hold your nose.  OTOH, if you
> think they're going down the tubes irrevocally, then you should
> probably shop around for the project that has as many small-scale
> manufacturing irons in the fire as possible, where it would best add
> to the synergy.
> I'm still hoping that the project will survive, that Marcin has
> learned something from this, and maybe that Yoko's destructive
> influence will be minimized and Marcin will attract some people who
> act as a governor for his ego rather than feeding it.
> --
> Kevin Carson
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